Proper term usage

[mike cobine]

Re: Proper term usage

The dampener may well be damper, but the dampen is quite right - Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 10th Edition, page 292, 2 damp - 2 : dampen - vi : to diminish progressively in vibration or oscillation.

Dampener is unfortunately the wrong usage, being a noun that dampens items not specified in the use of damper.

[Steve G.]

Re: Proper term usage

I think I'll disagree with you on this one, Duke. While I totally agree with your literal definition of "zero v. oh," the fact is when something is given a proper name, all bets are off.

Example: the city name in Greece, Athens, is also used in Illinois where it is pronounced "AY-thens." Goofy, but it's their town. Also in Illinois, the city "Des Plaines" instead of the French pronuciation (as in Des Moines,) they call it "Dez Plainz," like it's spelled. In my book, wrong, but when applied as a new proper name, uh, whatever.

So, if Chevy and Dave Hill say Zee Oh Six, that's what it is...

[Joe C.]

[Kent K.]

Re: Proper term usage

My turn, thanks to Steve Koss, the great.

First: Put you foot to the upper toe pan extension when you accelerate ... and as Steve remembered on many occasions, Maury Rose said "Stick your foot in the carburetor!" when threy asked him how he won Indy 500.
Next: They are, or were, called

wheel housings (those areas where the wheels fit the body)

floor pan assemblies (?) consisting of the toe pan and upper toe pan extension

upper and lower instrument panels (Chrysler calls them "dash")

catwalk - the top line of the wheel housing that carries along the passenger compartment and along the rear wheel housing )a distinct line in design)

There are many other terms if you look at the '53 Corvette body exploded parts diagrams, most remained viable in Corvette technical literature and diagrams for many years. OK - now I'm old.

Good Corvetting,
Kent #6210

[Larry W.]

Proper usage? I believe nomenclature is a nounNM *NM*

[Duke W.]

Re: Proper term usage

It's not a matter of pronunciation. It's a matter of confusing two completely different entities - the numeric zero and the letter oh.

Duke

[Duke W.]

Re: Proper term usage

None of the Webster folks are engineers.

Find me an engineering text that uses the basic verb form "dampen" instead of "damp" and I'll dampen my butt with a moist towel.

Duke

[Tracy C.]

Is it possible some twisted soul back in the days

of yore tried to abbreviate "zero" ass backwards? What the heck, maybe just dyslectic and those around just felt sorry for him and let it stick...

[Steve G.]

Re: Proper term usage

OK, maybe I didn't clarify my point. I'm not saying it's a matter of pronunciation, I'm saying when you name something, you essentially throw previous laws/rules/spelling/definitions out the window.
How many completely goofy names and spellings have we seen in recent years?
Maybe a better example is calling any big Dodge motor now a "Hemi," even though we all know what a Hemi really is. Or, people calling what used to be boxercise/punching aerobics/tae bo "kick boxing", even though kickboxing is actually a real martial art, not a women's aerobic class.
Kickboxing is to zero, as aerobics are to "oh?"

OK, I'll stop.

[Don 42616]

Definition & pronunciation

Why is New York called New Yawk by its inhabitants ? Are they the same? Pronunciations , definitions & names always change. And the current name is correct. Don

[Roy B.]

Re: Proper term usage(Joe you work for the Govt.) *NM*

[Duke W.]

Re: Proper term usage

No matter how you try to rationalize it, ohs and zeros are not the same - not even close.

Try typing an oh into your computer when it should be a zero and see what happens! (This caused a near disaster for me once when dealing with a company's customer service. I said "zero". She typed "oh", and I'm in a running battle with the state of CA over their placing a "zero" in the title VIN field of a car I own when GM clearly meant "oh".)

It's not a matter of interpretation or acceptable usage - it's apple and oranges.

Duke

[mike cobine]

Re: Proper term usage

I guess in California you drive on US one-zero-one with your '67 Z28 with the three-zero-two small block so you can visit friends who live in the four-zero-eight area code.

And you hope to run across some guy in his Heavy Chevy with the four-zero-two big block so you can embarass him.

[mike cobine]

Re: Proper term usage

Back in your day, Duke, there was this guy that said, "The times, they are a-changin'".

There is a book for grade school students about a Frindle http://frindle.com that you should read. It explains how items called by one name can be called by another if enough people begin to do so, and that term will become the accepted name, whether you like it or not.

While you stand by "damp", as you damp vibrations, provide a damping wave, and do that with a damper, the term dampener is in common use, and more than you may care to acknowledge.

A check of Yahoo for "dampen" pops up 161,000 hits. Some of these are actually respectable companies, and not some pimple-faced AOLer who has discovered Flash or Shockwave.

For example,

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5499624

http://www.concredamp.com

http://www.ocia.net/reviews/VantecVbDampener/VantecVbDampener.shtml

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w..._ite=hydraulic

http://www.amback.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=55767

http://www.blacoh.com/L-350.pdf#search='dampener'

http://www.burgess-manning.com

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/oila...f_terms_d.html

http://www.holley.com/search.asp?query=earls

http://www.plastomatic.com/water-hammer.html

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0110/27isssci

http://www.uk-instruments.co.uk/pdfs/10.05_E%20Gauge%20snubber.pdf

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20010817X01722&key=1

http://www.magnigyro.com/USA/feature_articles/PITCH%20DAMPENER.pdf

http://www.youngeng.com

http://www.federal-mogul.com/fmeconn...rch='dampener'

I guess you didn't mean this type of engineering.

Maybe a university type of engineering?

http://www.science.siu.edu/chemistry...hak/noise.html

[Duke W.]

Re: Proper term usage

That is correct, and my area code is three-one-zero. The nearest freeway to me is the four-zero-five. My Cosworth Vega is RPO Z-zero-nine, and it has two-zero-five/sixty VR-13 tires currently mounted.

Zero is not oh, black is not white, and apples are not oranges!

Duke