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  • lyndon sharpton

    Tires

    well for the first time in about 17 years I am going to put some modern tires on my 71 car. I have used reproduction tires since they first came out. I just can not hack them any more. so I ordered some tiger paw touring tires. I know Duke, they are not speed rated to 140mph. but I dont drive any where near that more like 60mph is what I run at now. but hey they are at least a T rated tire.

    Lyndon
  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15610

    #2
    Re: Tires

    My recommendation for high speed rated tires really has nothing to do with what speed you might end up driving.

    As I have stated many times before and will repeat, again, nearly all tires rated "H" or above have one or two sprial wound nylon cap belts above the steel belts, and if there is ever an internal structural failure, the nylon cap belts will almost always prevent the tire from disintegrating, which can result in loss of vehicle control and an accident that can severely damage the vehicle and possibly cause serious injury or loss of life.

    It's a basic safety issue!

    DOT minimum tire standards have not been upgraded for over 30 years and low or no speed rated tires don't need the nylon cap belts that can save your life. Tires that lack nylon cap belts do not meet MY minimum performance and safety requirements, nor do I think they should meet any savvy auto enthusisast's minimum requirements.

    Most of use don't put low quality parts in our engines, chassis, or bodies, but tires seem to be an afterthought or bought on low price alone without consideration for other any other factors other than sidewall styling features.
    I would not install a non-nylon cap belted tire (This generally means any tire below H-rated.) on any car I own even if I never planned on driving it in any other but the slow lane on the freeway.

    Duke

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    • lyndon sharpton

      #3
      Re: Tires

      the touring tires from uniroyal have the nylon cap belts. are at least that is what they say on the web site. I did not know that michelin owns uniroyal an bf goodrich until the other day.

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      • Duke W.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 1, 1993
        • 15610

        #4
        Re: Tires

        I don't think I've run across a T-rated tire with a nylon cap belt, but if they do, that's good.

        The tire industry is now "global" and has been consolidating for over 20 years.

        Continental owns General, and Goodyear now owns Dunlop after about 20 years of ownership by Sumitomo.

        Of course, Firestone is now owned by Bridgestone, leaving Goodyear as the only remaining US large independent tire manufacturer.

        A couple of years ago Pirelli and Continental had merger talks, but no deal was consumated.

        Duke

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        • Ken A.
          Very Frequent User
          • September 30, 2002
          • 167

          #5
          Re: Tires

          Duke, glad to see someone else talk about tires like the life saving or threatening item they are. As an long time autocrosser, I have strong feelings about tires. Just because they are black and round does not make them a tire I want on my car. What many people don't know is how different different tires handle. Car and Driver just did a tire test a few months back (first for them in many years). Once again they prooved that some tires are safer in the wet than others are in the dry, and a good dry tire does not necessarily make a good wet tire. Remember people, you only have 4 little patches of rubber, about 4"x6" each, that is keeping you from hitting that tree, and it is not going to move, even after you hit it. Go with a good, brand name tire. You will probably never know how many times it saves your life.
          Ken

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          • Klaus Friedrich #33362

            #6
            Re: Tires

            Hi Ken,

            one question:

            Is it possible to order the following tires in the USA:

            Goodyear RSA or
            Firestone PV41

            Size: 225/70 VR 15

            Everytime I look to the internet the following message appears:
            "For police duty only - enter password!"

            My dealers here in Germany are not able to get them.

            Now I'm driving Goodyear GT+4 - but they are too soft in rubber.

            Thank you in advance

            Klaus

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            • Mike McKown

              #7
              I have a set of Tiger Paws on my tandem

              axle bass boat trailer. I luv''em to death. Tows easier, corners better, rides smoother than the GoodYear trailer tires the trailer came with new.

              I'm just not sure where you'd ever stop with this tire debate thing. I prefer to think of it as the "Chicken Little" mentality when I'm told I have to have the absolute safest tires on the planet or something bad might happen. Of course when you buy these tires you pay more, get a tire that doesn't look anything like original, probably doesn't wear as good, rides rougher, etc. On the other hand if you do buy the premium tire you'll have (much) better handling, and maybe tires that might run a little truer, maybe, and balance a little better.

              I'd have to ask, if these high speed rated tired weren't available, which at one time they weren't, would this require the ultra safety minded among us to install roll bars, 4-5 point belt system and limit top speed to less than..... well, you pick the speed.

              I do take safety precautions with not only my driving but what I'm driving and what type equipment it has on it. High speed rated tires are not on the list. There are many more things out there on the road that will get you before your properly maintained, non-speed rated tires will. I don't know that you can protect yourself against everything.

              In the overall picture of getting myself down the road, through hill and dale, high speed rated tires are far down my list. So are the cheap 4 for $100 Pep Boy specials. The "other guy" is right at the top along with replacement tires equivalent to OEM American car company specs. That's what I buy and in the last 1,500,000 miles driven between my wife and I, we have not had one single catastrophic automobile tire failure.

              If safety is your all consuming concern and you make a habit out of doing a lot of hot dog driving, then by all means, buy the good stuff. But, while you're at it, be sure and check, magnaflux, replace, redesign whatever is required on your old metal fatigued chassis to take the additional loads a "good set" of tires can impose on it that it was never designed to handle, when new, anyway.

              Yes, I really do like the Tiger Paws on my boat trailer and that's going against the trailer manufacturer's tire recommendations.

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              • Terry M.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • September 30, 1980
                • 15573

                #8
                V speed rated Tires

                Yes, it is possible to get the Goodyear Eagle RSAs, 225/70 VR 15 in the USA. They are available from The Tire Rack for $117 in Blackwall only.

                Firestone PV41 are available in the same size and style from the same source for $125 each. This brand and style shows "low stock" on their site, however.

                Check out www.tirerack.com. That site works here in the USA. I don't know what shipping to Europe will cost -- that may be a major stumbling block. There is no restriction on who can purchase them in this country. I have them (in the 235/70 VR 15 size) on several of my former police cars. I have purchased two sets of Goodyears from Tire Rack with no problems. Even the road hazard protection has worked flawlessly through a local Goodyear dealer.

                I bought another set of the 235s from the owner of a 1970 Corvette who could not use them because they rubbed in front. He has F41, though, so that may have been a factor as well as the size. 225s ought to fit OK.

                Another contributor to this board favors the General tire for his former police car. He is able to purchase them local to him at the same discount that his law enforcement agency enjoys. He lives in the southwest and has the opportunity for greater road temperatures and velocities than those of us in more populated northern parts of the country. Aggressive driving will result in somewhat shortened road life. Tire wear of only 50K miles is not uncommon in law enforcement use.

                For cars which are capable of high performance there is no substitute for good quality tires. Anything less is false economy.
                Terry

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