Typical Point Deduction for Over-Restored Paint???

[James W.]

I need to know what kind of standard point deductions I will get for over restored paint on a 1965 Corvette painted Rally Red. The car will be painted with lacquer, but my question is when it comes to the paint margins at the front of the hood and at the hinges, paint coverage on bottom of the radiator support, door jam gloss, lack of paint at the bottom of the rear quarter panels, the bottom of the doors and front fenders above the rocker moldings that typically were lacking in paint coverage. Our painter does not want to paint the car and make it look "crappy" per the NCRS prescribed judging standards. Total originality points available is 45, is there a rule of thumb that they go by???

Thanks,

James West

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: Typical Point Deduction for Over-Restored Pain

James, the standard is a 20% deduct according to the Paint Judging Flow Chart.

Harry

[Patrick H.]

Re: Typical Point Deduction for Over-Restored Pain

"Our painter does not want to paint the car and make it look "crappy" per the NCRS prescribed judging standards."

More importantly, is that also your wish?

After all, it's your money and your car. To oversimplify it, he's just your at-will employee.

Patrick

[Loren L.]

20% for What???????? *NM*

[Dick W.]

Re: 20% for What????????

Over restoration Loren, no orange peel, no waves in body, too much paint in areas that you would expect to see very little or no paint, etc

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: 20% for What????????

Here is the one that really gets me?

Original paint that has been well cared for and has been waxed and polished till it shines like crazy, jams, under license plates, etc, can be considered over restored and you get a 20% hit.

[Brian K.]

Re: 20% for What????????

About how many points is that and can you still Top Flight with over restored paint? Thanks Brian

[Jack H.]

Re: 20% for What????????

Top Flight starts at 94%. It's a 4500 point system. So, you can loose 4 x 45 or 270 points and still make the grade (more actually if you drive the car to the meet and get mileage driven credits). For how much is 20% on paint, you need a Flight Judging Score Sheet to see how many originality points are associated with the line item. They're free to NCRS members who make a request to the National Judging Chairman...

[Joe R.]

Re: 20% for What????????

Body paint is scored in three places: 85 points for color, 45 points for originality (in terms of the finish and how it was applied), and 40 points for condition. Since you can lose 270 points and still Top Flight, you could *theoretically* Top Flight with no paint whatsoever on the car.

In a more typical situation, the color is fine and what you need to be concerned with is the originality score. A standard base coat/clear coat paint job with good coverage will typically receive a full deduct on originality. This can hurt because a loss of more than 90% of the originality points makes the paint ineligible for condition points, so you lose (45+40)= 85 points.

If an effort is made to duplicate the appearance of factory application methods, where coverage was limited in certain areas and certain areas were not buffed out, the originality deduction for a typical base coat/clear coat job will be 50% on originality, leaving you eligible for all of the 40 condition points. In this case the point loss can be as low as 23 points.

If all the above conditions are met, there is one more level that has an even smaller deduction, which is to have a non-lacquer finish that resembles lacquer. In that case the standard deduction is 20% on originality, or only 9 points. This is hard to accomplish with base coat/clear coat, but I have seen it done.

In my view, the "sweet spot" in the scoring scheme is to use base coat/clear coat but make the effort to duplicate the appearance of the factory application methods. This nets you only a 23 point deduction in exchange for very little compromise in terms of how the car looks to a typical observer. Most of the areas that receive poor coverage and are not buffed out are not readily visible anyway, such as door jambs and places that are low on the car.