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  • Chuck S.
    Expired
    • April 1, 1992
    • 4668

    Encouraging NCRS Membership...

    We have had quite a debate on the pros and cons of allowing non-members to post on the TDB free. I'm frankly tired of talking about it, tired of hearing about it, and I know everbody else feels the same. The bottom line is, the NCRS Board of Directors has ruled, and the rest of us will "deal wid' it" as we see fit.

    This past weeks discussion should make it clear that NOTHING is decided by posters here...this board is not a micro-democracy; it's the Board of Directors that decides. But, before I leave this subject forever, I want to offer one more proposal that could help to accomplish the organizations goals and objectives.

    I propose that the organization sweeten the deal for Corvette enthusiasts who stumble across the NCRS TDB by offering a three month free posting trial (a free trial period was suggested by Rob Musquetier early in this debate)...FURTHER, during that three-month trial period, a non-member be eligible to join NCRS for one year at a reduced "internet" rate, say $20. Starting the second year of their membership, these members' dues would increase to the standard $35 rate. The free trial period could be controlled by IP address (Sorry, John, making work for you, I know.); names and mailing addresses from these new "internet" members could be compared against previous membership records to curtail fraud.

    This would allow the rest of the Corvette world to get a taste of NCRS; and, if they are smart enough, to figure out that this is the "Best Dang Corvette Organization On Earth". And, the good news would be they can join up...Cheep! Hardened, perennial free-loaders would be excluded...simply being sympathetic to NCRS interests, goals and objectives is insufficient; put a paltry, tiny bit of your money where your mouth is, and we promise we won't tell anyone you're a member.

    After a year, hopefully the "internet" membership hook would be set (if they're smart enough), and we will have some of them for life. This is the way my cable company does it; Get'im in at half price for three months, then hit'im with the regular price forever.
  • Lyndon S.
    Expired
    • April 30, 1988
    • 1027

    #2
    Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

    Would this apply to old NCRS members, that have not been a dues paying member for years? Lets say someone that was a member 20 years ago, and that was the last time they paid dues, would they get this new rate if it was approved, your suggestion that is?

    Kelly

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    • Chuck S.
      Expired
      • April 1, 1992
      • 4668

      #3
      Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

      Frankly, Kelly, I hadn't thought about "past" members. This proposal was primarily aimed at introducing newbies to the organization.

      Past members should already be very familiar with the advantages of being an NCRS member, but they may have had good reasons for their departure (lost interest in the hobby because of family or other responsibilities, sold their cars, etc).

      Having said that, recovering "past" members as participating members is probably even of higher interest than the newbies...they will bring experience and knowledge back into the organization. Perhaps adopting a three-year (?) moratorium on the "internet" rate in order to eliminate "membership cycling" by cheepos, i.e. for a "past" member to get the internet rate, his membership would have to be lapsed at least three years.

      If you are really interested in the cars and the organization, you aren't going to wait around three years just to save $15...uh, would they?

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      • Gerard F.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • June 30, 2004
        • 3803

        #4
        Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

        Chuck,

        It was nice meeting, and talking to you in Boston. I'm going to respectfully disagree with your post and proposal.

        I think the object of any change to the Discussion Board should be to both encourage new members, and retain existing members. One of the worst things one could do for existing membership would be to cut a member off the Discussion Board if he/she let their membership lapse or were late with a renewal. This would infuriate many.

        Like I said in a post below, I do not think the ruling is cast in stone as yet.
        I think the proposal to have a member only forum, is part of a larger proposal to upgrade the technology of the website to provide a better service to the members. Upgrades in the technology have been discussed many times in the past on this very forum.

        Just suppose that an online Driveline, Photo Archive, or even a Restorer Tech Article Archive were added to the website. These sections of the website would necessarily be member only. If you had these enhancements, I think it would both encourage new members as well as retain existing members.

        I do also respectfully object to your characterization of non-members who post as "Cheep! Hardened, perennial free-loaders". I have found that many of the non-members who post are very experienced individuals who provide valuable information to the membership. Even the guy with the newly acquired vintage Corvette, or the one looking to buy one, bring out questions that benefit us all in the answers on the forum.

        Sure there are a few freeloaders on the forum, but they come and go. Usually they can be recognized, and one has the option of not reading their post and not responding to it. Actually, some freeloaders actually bring out some interesting discussion and perspective to the forum.

        I think the decisions on the direction of the forum and technology changes is going to take some time. Let's see how it pans out, but keep the forum open until the total package is revealed.

        Again, I think all members who use the forum ought to express their opinions to their Regional Reps, and other members of the NCRS management.

        Jerry Fuccillo
        #42179
        Jerry Fuccillo
        1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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        • Chuck S.
          Expired
          • April 1, 1992
          • 4668

          #5
          Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

          Hmmm...I'm sure misreading/misunderstanding the written word must be origin of many disputes between friends. You took what I said out of context...what I said is shown below...and, notice there is an emoticon at the end of the paragraph denoting humor, or "don't take me too serious on this":

          "And, the good news would be they (newbies) can join up...Cheep! [STOP!!!] Hardened, perennial free-loaders would be excluded...simply being sympathetic to NCRS interests, goals and objectives is insufficient; put a paltry, tiny bit of your money where your mouth is, and we promise we won't tell anyone you're a member."

          I stand by my "hardened, perennial free-loaders" remark...a perfect example comes to mind. The individual asks questions about different year classes at different intervals, and contributes nothing...I'm convinced he's a professional restorer "wannabe" using us as his technical resource. Well, he's not getting anything more from me, because I don't respond to his questions.

          But, your comments are made in the context of the ruling of the Board's ruling NOT being "cast in stone". As, if all other alternatives are shot down, they'll have to reverse themselves. Well, I do consider the Board's decision to be final regardless of how we feel here. Trust me, Jerry, I've been here before, maybe you could say "on the other team"...I believe the Board has regretted, then back-slided a little on a ruling, but I will never expect to see them reverse themselves...but time will tell.

          This proposal was simply offered here as a way to relax the impact of that ruling on the innocent, and to encourage membership within that ruling. I have absolutely no compassion for those "frugal" individuals that want to participate within NCRS for free...I would let Dave McClellen, Dave Hill, and Zora, if he were still with us, in "for free"; all others pay just like everybody else.

          I probably should have just forwarded this proposal to my NCRS representatives as you suggested...bringing it up here severely compromises this proposal in my opinion, and limits it's presence to those who want to argue if the Board REALLY means what it just said.

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          • Stephen L.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • May 31, 1984
            • 3148

            #6
            Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

            I can't believe that the owners of Corvettes with a probable minimum value of $10,000 on up to $100,000's are too darn cheap to cough up $35/year for a membership!!!!

            When and IF they ever sell you can "take it too the bank" that they will have benefitted many times over due to the NCRS organization and the value of these cars!!!!!!

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            • Dennis C.
              NCRS Past Judging Chairman
              • January 1, 1984
              • 2409

              #7
              Steve, Thanks, what a breathe of fresh air... *NM*

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              • Gregory M.
                Expired
                • May 31, 1984
                • 178

                #8
                Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

                "I can't believe that the owners of Corvettes with a probable minimum value of $10,000 on up to $100,000's are too darn cheap to cough up $35/year for a membership!!!!"

                Thanks you...I thought it was just me...lets give it a rest, already...

                GM

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                • Loren L.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1976
                  • 4104

                  #9
                  "Reasons?

                  I guess I don't understand why a non-member has to provide "reasons"
                  for his current non-member status or "why" he once was a member and is not now a member - there could be a million reasons. Start with the first ultimate example - a long time owner being told by a judge who had not been born yet that "X" was wrong. As an example, my older brother had a 1967 roadster that someone spent 15 minutes explaining why his interior mirror was wrong - if you've got '67 judging sheets from Wisconsin Dells and current JG's - what he had was the mirror NOW described; he's had
                  3 pre'72 Corvettes since then .....and your prediction about how many of those 3 cars got judged would be ..............

                  I would make two observations, tough when you CRS: 1) I think I'm correct that one of the selling points for NCRS sponsorship of the board (for the newbies, lets not forget that this board was once one sponsored
                  ONLY by the Indiana Chapter) would be to provide ACCESS to the Board so that non-members could visit, be impressed with the amount of information available from NCRS members, and thus, be encouraged to join NCRS (Contrary to popular belief among the NCRS top levels, there are STILL A NUMBER OF CORVETTE OWNERS WHO DO NOT KNOW WE EXIST - and this is after 30+ years; and the second is "WHY IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD YOU DENY (WHATEVER ITS SOURCE) FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THE EARLIER CORVETTES?").

                  The question has to be asked: "Did anyone raise their hand and simply ask 'Why are we doing this?'".

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                  • Chuck S.
                    Expired
                    • April 1, 1992
                    • 4668

                    #10
                    Giving It A Rest...

                    "...lets give it a rest, already..."

                    Yeah, I'm wishing to heck I hadn't scratched this scab again...however noble my intention. The Board of Directors has spoken...Ya'll can "deal wid' it".

                    I'm spending waaayyy too much time on the TDB. The markets are in panic; the last time I got so focused on the NCRS DB, the internet bubble popped...I didn't figure out how much I'd lost until a year later.

                    Anyway, I think tomorrow I'll "deal wid' it" by laminating some resin and mat in the cool of the morning...and forgetting about this spiral argument to nowhere.

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                    • Chris Patrick

                      #11
                      Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

                      It has nothing to do with being cheap. There are many reasons.

                      However, what most miss is the "wonderful" reputation NCRS has in the rest of the car world. This is just "increasing" that reputation. This move makes George Bush's approval rating look stellar.

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                      • Mark B.
                        Expired
                        • February 1, 2004
                        • 138

                        #12
                        Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

                        To me, one answered question with several responses is well worth the $35 I pay in dues each year. A paltry sum when you consider the value you receive. Mark B.

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                        • Clem Z.
                          Expired
                          • January 1, 2006
                          • 9427

                          #13
                          maybe i should get a "900" number and charge

                          $35 to answer a question. just kidding !!!

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                          • Gregory M.
                            Expired
                            • May 31, 1984
                            • 178

                            #14
                            Re: Encouraging NCRS Membership...

                            "However, what most miss is the "wonderful" reputation NCRS has in the rest of the car world."

                            That irks me...when you say "the rest of the car world" you mean those who, in the last five years due to the spiraling escalation in the value of their favorite "brand", have first begun to take an approach to the restoration of thier cars simliar to that which the NCRS has been advocating for 30+ years... puh-leaze...

                            Who gives a rats a-- about anyone elses opinion as thier reasons for disliking the NCRS are as diverse as their reasons for not owing a Corvette...

                            And if anyone is so shorsighted as to allow a disfavorable experience with a judge to justify non-membership, well, that is unfortunate for everyone...
                            stick a fork in me...

                            GM

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                            • Terry M.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • September 30, 1980
                              • 15573

                              #15
                              Talk dirty Corvette stuff to me *NM*

                              Terry

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