where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

[Edward J.]

Are there any sources left that make the lacquer. for my 63? Thanks, Ed I Know that it been gone for a while,Laws prohibit sales.

What about the new lacquers? coverage? and can there be touch-ups of areas if stone chips the paint?

[Domenic T.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Wow,
Edward, I doubt it. It was not a good paint to begin with, not to be confused with straight laquer which was much better than acrylic laquer.
there are sources for straight laquer today. most are used on aircraft that are fabric covered.
Acrylic enamel was much better and is still available and can be matched for touch up. Its not to easy to do on metalic paint if you don't coat it with a non yellowing clear.
If you try to buff a metalic paint it will leave a metalic border around the edges. The clear over the top allows you to only buff the clear and blend it in with your old finish.
The reason is that the metalic settles to the bottom of the paint. The spray gun preasure will also change the metalic shade if to high or to low. TRICKY, but if you don't have a metalic paint it is easy.

DOM

[Jack H.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Much confusion and word of mouth legal re-interpretation here. Some States and Local Governments have their own laws, but at the Federal level it's NOT unlawful to sell lacquer paint. The nuts and bolts of restriction deal with shooting/applying it...

High end musical instruments (pianos, guitars, Etc.) are still painted with lacquer. Women still paint their fingernails with lacquer. So, saying lacquer is UNLAWFUL is a gross misrepresentation of the law...

But, for the average painter involved in automotive work, he'd have to layout a CONSIDERABLE chunk of change for a NEMA certified enclosure to satisfactorily eliminate overspray discharge into the atmosphere AND he'd have to make special provisions for waste water discharge processing in order to legally comply with existing environmental release regulations.

It's easier for these guys to 'lie' and tell you it's UNLAWFUL to use lacquer paint as that simplifies the matter. Why take the time to explain the law and tell you they can't justify spending a half milliion dollars for the facility equipment to legally shoot lacquer? Hey, offer to obtain and supply the painter with the lacquer paint and watch him BACKPEDDLE!!!

But, leave the US and you can generally get all the lacquer paint you want (expect the exact formulation to be different from that shot here back in the 60's). You don't have to go to the '3rd world' either. Lacquer is regularly shot in the UK (that's what coats most London taxi cabs)...

And these other countries signed the same ozone non-profliferation treaty that we did!!!!

I don't know of another nation that has a requirement as our constitution does for equal enforcement of the law. Most go after the big/major poluters and let the little guys slide.

Then their government certifies they're making 'progress' on treaty enforcement. Here it's essentially an all or nothing game regarding enforcement.

I suspect that's why there was so much disappointment over our refusal to sign the Kyoto accords. Everyone else knew we'd take the matter seriously and enforce/reduce global warming discharge (to our economic disadvantage) while they sat on the sidelines watching and making 'progress'...

[Edward J.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Dom, lacquer flows out very nice and is easy to apply, and when buffed out it like glass. I painted my 72 base coat clear coat and its alot more work. not to say the deduct for BC/CC when flighting a car . so I think this time I was going to see if it may be possible to purchase lacquer.( paint not metalic)

[Domenic T.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Dom, lacquer flows out very nice and is easy to apply, and when buffed out it like glass. I painted my 72 base coat clear coat and its alot more work. not to say the deduct for BC/CC when flighting a car . so I think this time I was going to see if it may be possible to purchase lacquer.

Edward ,
I agree totally with how it go's on. What I was thinking was that you were going to repair and touch up some stone chips which is difficult to do with a metalic paint.

DOM

[Mark P.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

http://www.tcpglobal.com/Restorationshop/

This place sells laquer. Haven;t sprayed what I bought so I can't comment. I have been told in California that a hobbyist can spray it but a most shops can't.

[Jack H.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

California is always a unique place regarding legislation on the books! But, I'm pretty sure you can 'pop' over the border to TJ and discover all the 'legal' lacquer painting facilities you want, eh?

[Michael F.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

It's the individual City and State evironmental laws that rule these issues.

Houston has very strict local laws regarding types of paint used. For instance, they are in the process of outlawing ALL chemical paint stippers in body shops. They are about to require all body shops in Houston the use the water based color coats. They will still allow a urethane clear coat. Times are changing and they will continue to.

[Paul J.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Enough!

As Mark said, a hobbiest i.e. a non-commercial non-regulated entity can spray whatever they want wherever they want, with no controls.

Anyone else can spray (emit) up to 5 tons per year (tpy) of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs), or 10 tpy of hazardous air pollutants (HAPs) without a permit, except in California. In this case the solvents would be the VOCs and some particular solvents, as well as certain compounds in paint can be HAPS.

There can be local ordinances/regulations which may be more stringent, but these are only in a few areas and once again, only pertain to regulated entities.

If you are in doubt, go to your local county, city, and state web sites and look for an Air Quality department or division. The regulations are there. If you need an interpretation, call the contact on the web site.

As previously stated, the regulations are to control emissions which are deemed significant. I've been working wiith these rules since just after the Clean Air Act was passed in 1980, and I have never seen any restrictions on residential sources, except in California.

[Philip C.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Are there any sources left that make the lacquer. for my 63? Thanks, Ed I Know that it been gone for a while,Laws prohibit sales.

What about the new lacquers? coverage? and can there be touch-ups of areas if stone chips the paint?

Hi Ed look up autopaintlibrary on line or call 858-909-2110 I got my sebring silver paint from them, I sent them a sample piece to match and its right on so now there two sebring cars painted the right color What ever you do make sure you use the same brand product thru out, (PPG thinner with PPG paint) good luck hope your cars not silver or white to me the hardest colors to paint. Phil 8063

[Loren L.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Where do you live? What color do your want? And Sorry Phillip, but the large Aluminum flake in Sebring Silver has not been available since the '60s.

[Bob J.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

And Sorry Phillip, but the large Aluminum flake in Sebring Silver has not been available since the '60s.

I agree,
Fire Frost pigment is long gone and without it you don't have Sebring Silver. Bob

[Edward J.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

I was talking with one of the local resto shops in my area and I am now understanding that the lead used in the old lacquer paint is no more? Which is really what I would like, It covers great and with less paint.

He seemed to talk about the use of single stage urathane paint as the better replacement, any thoughts on this and the missing lead additive in paint.

[Ronald L.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Lead was used as a filler and you don't really want to be spraying that anyway. I have sprayed lots of Sherwin Cabinet grade lacquer and if you did this yourself in your garage, you'd get about the same result as St Louis, that is if you have had any kind of practice at all and avoid humidity. Sherwin has an auto division, might be worth is to see if they do these formulations. With Paint and solvent in hand you will find someone capable of spraying it.

[Philip C.]

Re: where to purchase Acryic lacquer ?

Where do you live? What color do your want? And Sorry Phillip, but the large Aluminum flake in Sebring Silver has not been available since the '60s.

Hi Loren I have a piece of an orig paint 63 fender from the orig owner, he saved it from his car that was hit, a couple of months old, I also got a spray out of orig factory pack paint from a fellow off this board and sent them to autopaint. They told me there was three different size flake in that paint. The paint on my car matches the sample perfectly, better than I hoped it was going to. I know you will agree when you see it. Phil 8063