Ethanol - adding fuel to the fire

[Clem Z.]

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John, Clem calls it Moonshine

it is moonshine but i am not the expert on this board on moonshine.

[Clem Z.]

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Viton rubber comes in at least two colors. For example the stock buna rubber hi-pressure pump seals for 57 to 65 have black rubber. The viton pump seals have brownish rubber.
Viton o'rings typically come in two colors. Black and also brownish.
How do you know if a rubber o'ring is viton or buna rubber you ask.
Just close your eyes and fell the rubber. Buna rubber is very slick-very smooth. Viton rubber looks like aged rubber-not smooth feeling.
Open your eyes and you will see that Viton o'rings are semi flat in color was as buna rubber ones are glossy.
I am not into carburetors although I used to be. Any info I tell you is heresay.
Those of you that drive your cars a lot-on a regular basis are the smart ones. Smart may not be the correct word. Those of you that are collectors or neglect your cars are in big trouble with ethanol.
In the 70's I recall an additive being used in small of the stations around here. But it wasn't ethanol.
Clem. What was that additive? (Clem lives near me). The name is on the tip of my tongue.
Gasahol was in the 70's around here. Don't know anything about it.

got me john on that one

[Michael W.]

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Bryan,

this is not necessarily true- blending in ethanol is a very cheap and convenient method of raising the octane rating of gasoline. Most of the premium gas around here is E10.

[Terry M.]

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Gasahol was in the 70's around here. Don't know anything about it.

John,

The stuff we get now with Ethanol added IS gasohol. Same junk different name. The folks who bribe our elected officials (called lobbyists), and who are hired by our neighbors who have a vested interest in corn production, simply renamed the product in a PR move to dupe the masses.

[Jim D.]

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The stuff we get now with Ethanol added IS gasohol.

Exactly, and that's what has been pumped at 99% of the service stations in the Northwest since the 70's.

[Terry M.]

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Exactly, and that's what has been pumped at 99% of the service stations in the Northwest since the 70's.

Not just the Northwest Jim. Heavens we grow corn here in the Midwest. Gobs and gobs of it. And they put that crap in our gasoline because the corn producers, and agribusiness want it. They duped the feds long ago into putting it in gasoline when MTBE was found to poison the lakes, and they have paid our elected officials to put more and more of it in to the point that one almost can not get alcohol free gasoline any more.

[Clem Z.]

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the govt subsidy of .50 a gallon goes off at the end of the year so we see what happens then

[Paul J.]

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Guys
i was advised by a vette mechanic to use hi test because it either has a lower ethanol content or zero. i have not seen any issues so i am assuming there may be truth to it. Bryan Hepper

No.

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[Paul J.]

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Gasohol (Ethanol) was around in the 70's, used in gasoline as an oxygenate and octane booster. EPA later required oxygenates in gasoline to be used in areas with poor air quality. However, alcohol was more expensive and MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) was preffered in most of the Country. Prior to the 1990's, all subsurface storage tanks and delivery systems were not protected, cathodically or otherwise, and leaks were common. Many States have banned MTBE because of the contamination threat, and EPA phased it out sometime around 2006 (not that anyone was still using it anyway). With the energy independance/renewable energy slant of the present administration, ethanol is going to be here for a while.

The use of ethanol in gasoline is twofold, it is one of the options required by the EPA to control pollution, and it is part of the present energy policy of the Country.

[Adam S.]

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WHEN THE epa WAS HATCHED IN EARLY 1970'S ADDED LOTS OF FULE TO MY DADS FIRE, MY DAD BEING A AVAIATION MECH. IN NAVY WAS PISSED SO BAD, I OFTENED HEARD HIM SAYING THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY AS IT WAS FOUNDED AS FAR AS HER INDUSTRAL MIGHT! DDT, RED LEAD PRIMMER, LEADED FUEL(THAT MAY B A GOOD THING ITS GONE) AND SO ON AS HE WATCHED ALL OF THIS UNFOLD HE SAID EACH STATE IN THE UNION SHOULD BE RESPONSABLE FOR THERE AIR ,LAND & WATER, NOT THE FEDS! HE REALLY WAS PISSED WHEN HIS 64 BUICK LA SABRA WENT THRU CARB REBUILDS & FUEL SENDING UNITS DURING GAS-A-HAUL ERRA! I HOPE I AM NOT SEEING A CIRCLE REAPPEARING AGAIN AS AN OLDER PERSON NOW, I DO NOT LIKE WHAT I AM SEEING, I FEEL I HAVE AN OPEN MIND FOR PROGRESS BUT TO REPEAT FAILURES OF THE PAST WITH THE MOONSHINE FULE, SUCKS! SORRY TO SOUND OFF LIKE THIS, "IF ITS NOT BROKEN DON'T FIX IT"

[Terry M.]

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WHEN THE epa WAS HATCHED IN EARLY 1970'S ADDED LOTS OF FULE TO MY DADS FIRE, MY DAD BEING A AVAIATION MECH. IN NAVY WAS PISSED SO BAD, I OFTENED HEARD HIM SAYING THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY AS IT WAS FOUNDED AS FAR AS HER INDUSTRAL MIGHT! DDT, RED LEAD PRIMMER, LEADED FUEL(THAT MAY B A GOOD THING ITS GONE) AND SO ON AS HE WATCHED ALL OF THIS UNFOLD HE SAID EACH STATE IN THE UNION SHOULD BE RESPONSABLE FOR THERE AIR ,LAND & WATER, NOT THE FEDS! HE REALLY WAS PISSED WHEN HIS 64 BUICK LA SABRA WENT THRU CARB REBUILDS & FUEL SENDING UNITS DURING GAS-A-HAUL ERRA! I HOPE I AM NOT SEEING A CIRCLE REAPPEARING AGAIN AS AN OLDER PERSON NOW, I DO NOT LIKE WHAT I AM SEEING, I FEEL I HAVE AN OPEN MIND FOR PROGRESS BUT TO REPEAT FAILURES OF THE PAST WITH THE MOONSHINE FULE, SUCKS! SORRY TO SOUND OFF LIKE THIS, "IF ITS NOT BROKEN DON'T FIX IT"

You do realize it was Ronald Reagan who signed the legislation creating the EPA. Just a history lesson, not a political comment.

[Adam S.]

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Terry, my dad put up with Reagan towards the end of second time he was in office, I can remember him laughing at green energy back in 70's, remember him saying NO PAY OFF because of the expence of equipment verses the short life span for pay back of savings. It took him a while to get use to the way things happened in "detached Washington", yes he really peed at all of them, Johnson,Nixon then Carter just warmed him up.... he was an American first, & political with local area senator way down the list......... I can't even think about how the country would work if it was not for true Americans united & in service with each other for the good for all , just as we help & converse with each other in this club. Freedom is the key.... One of my sons is over in Afganstan as I speak , G.B.A. ...................Glad I am not a Gas a holick .................., just pure gas for me please for my C1, In LA. & southern states still lots of stations that are ethonal free for now..... I have read all the threads on this corny subject & appears there are still mix reviews about using E10 in the older fuel induction/carb. systems.I can only speak for myself with growing up with Gasahol failures in my family

[Louis T.]

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Let's keep our history straight. The EPA was created in 1970 by Richard Nixon, not Ronald Reagan. Nixon also takes credit for the Clean Air Act, OSHA, and the National Environmental Policy Act (requiring environmental impact statements for many Federal projects).

[Robert I.]

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I have a car, not a Corvette, which I park outside. After a hard rain, there is water in the fuel. Runs very rough. I put in a can of Dry Gas and it runs fine.

Why does the ethanol in the gas, not absorb the water?

[Paul L.]

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Instead of SAE 30R7 use 30R9 hose.

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