GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

[Terry M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Ralph's images.
He messaged me:
"Terry, If i am not asking too much of you could you post this. Is this what they will be offering?"

I am not sure if Ralph's question is directed at me, or if it is a rhetorical question. The only answer I can provide is that I don't know. Like most of you I only know what I read here. It is easy for me, as the original owner, to wait and see what is provided since the only information I don't have is "the exact date of production." However knowing what I know I can make a good guess as to that date.

[Roy S.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Roy,
Can you please explain what is being provided in option #1 and option #2?

Option #1 sounds like known NICB data that does not necessarily have to originate from GM. Which is it? And "IF" it is we just have to wait, I am sure some of us are adult enough to wait.

Second option - is is verification against GM records or is it NCRS judges opinions? Does it fill in the one option missing, tire type? on a tank sticker that is partially legible?

Cost and value aside, these statements on what NCRS paying members are going to get - really should be clear.

The leadership owes it to the membership to be upfront about this entire event.

I am continually amazed at human imagination please read the explanation of what the two services offer. Read John Hinckley’s quotes. If the information is not of interest to you then blow it off, forget about it, but don’t continue to speculate and wish for something that has not been promised. NCRS is and has been the leader in the restoration and preservation aspect of the Corvette Hobby; they will continue to be for some time. Publications such as the Authentication Library volumes one and two have provided members with the tools to validate there own trim tags and protect-o-plates.
The two new services are a big step forward and in some eyes very important.

The first service is the CORVETTE SHIPPING DATA REPORT. The information consists of the dealer code, dealer name and the date the car was produced. The good news is this should allow you to find the original dealer where your Corvette was sold and possibly open the door to finding more information about your Corvette. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your NCRS address on record.

The second service is the CORVETTE DOCUMENT VALIDATION. NCRS will compare any of your GM documents to the GM records contained in the Shipping Report and if verification can be achieved, will establish the authenticity of your factory documents. Unfortunately, the shipping report does not contain the vehicle options. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your NCRS address on record

John Hinckley summarized it in the following two quotes:

"If you don't have any docs and want to know what dealer sold the car originally (or, to be more accurate, the dealer to which the car was originally delivered), the "Shipping Data Report" will tell you that."

"If you have some docs (like a tank sticker or window sticker, Car Shipper, etc.) and aren't sure about its accuracy or authenticity, the "Document Validation Service" will answer that question."

The choice is yours, you can assume it is worthless and not order either, or if you have purported original documents you can order the validation service. There is no mention in any of this description that references a judging decision or judging opinion, this is not a judging issue, NCRS does not judge paperwork.

Some individuals including me will order both for the cars they own.

[Patrick T.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Roy,
Can you please explain what is being provided in option #1 and option #2?

Option #1 sounds like known NICB data that does not necessarily have to originate from GM. Which is it? And "IF" it is we just have to wait, I am sure some of us are adult enough to wait.

Is the NICB actively participating in this endeavor with the NCRS or not? They never have helped in the past, so if the answer to this question is yes, then why all of sudden have they become so eager to accommodate us with their precious database of information? Just yes or no please.

[Ronald L.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Roy, Thank you for the clarification. No imagination here, WIW is black & white, what is the print on the piece of paper going to say? I know you have clarified that for option #1. Dealer code, date.

Things not clear grow, I think you can see that from this and other threads that got started and I'd expect people to speculate and question, that is very normal.

IMHO option #2 makes it sound like NCRS has MORE data that is not being shared...what other data does NCRS have other that these two?

Intended, not intended, 'coached by the legal staff' or not, this naturally is going to generate questions, speculation, hope of finding the holy grail, etc.

"GM records contained in the Shipping Report"

Shipping documents had/have this and more:
Document #
Date
Order #
Dealer & address
GM Division
Year
Model
Body
VIN
Shipping Weight
HP


The point is this, why is this a secret? That we send in a semi legible tank sticker (or other item) and the answer comes back valid or can't validate?

Who is going to sue GM or NCRS for 40 year old car data? I know this has been discussed and human imagination can develop the reasons why some would have issue with this data being in the public domain.

Why don't we just get access to the 'other' data in the shipping report even "if" it is by signing a waiver we'll never sue GM, Ford, NCRS, or any of the prior owners and it is posted in every national newspaper for a week?

Finally, so as to not lose sight, was the NICB involved in this cooperative effort?

[Peter M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Roy - you mentioned "Publications such as the Authentication Library volumes one and two have provided members with the tools to validate there own trim tags and protect-o-plates."

I must be blind as could not find this in Publications. Can you please point me to this?

Thanks

Pete

[Terry M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Roy - you mentioned "Publications such as the Authentication Library volumes one and two have provided members with the tools to validate there own trim tags and protect-o-plates."

I must be blind as could not find this in Publications. Can you please point me to this?

Thanks

Pete

Pete,

I couldn't get this board to take the link. I hope this works this time.

https://www.ncrs.org/store/shop.cgi/SID=1283945964.7745/page=results.html

The link shows and works when I go to edit, but not when I post it.

Go to the "NCRS store" button. Scroll downt he page to the search box and type "Authentication Library" in the search box. That will bring up Volume 1, SK-504 and Vol II SK-507. I hope you can find them.

[Peter M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Terry - thanks found it. Unfortunately, it appears it ends after 67 and I have a 71 LT-1 so no good.

Thanks for helping though.

Pete

[Terry M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

I haven't seen the Volume II yet, so I don't know how or if it helps C3 folks, but the information in Volume I about trim tags applies equally to C3s in my opinion. It simply doesn't cover C3s at this time. The difficulty of getting good photographic images of C3 trim tags mounted in the door jam is an issue for C3 trim tags, but the "foot print" information contained in Volume I applies equally to C2 and C3s. Of course information about ECLs is not included on C3 trim tags, but it does show up on window stickers of C3s and it is general knowledge worth having, even if the exact ECLs don’t apply to C3s. Some day we will have the ECLs for C3s it will just take time and effort.

Without having seen Volume I some of this may not make sense to you, but IMO Vol I is useful to C3 folks.

[Michael D.]

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...I think what has been hinted at on another site is that they have the option info...

Yes. It has been hinted, but then the car shipper information was also hinted a while back.

...a lot of grey area in what has been said officially...

I agree.

[Wayne M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

,.... the John Hinckley comments in the following two quotes does a good a job with repsect to answering your question, ......

Will Roy or anyone else please post the link to John Hinckley's quotes ? I can't find them anywhere, and I want to see them from the horse's mouth . TIA

[Wayne M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

I think what has been hinted at on another site is that they have the option info but are not making it public......

Keith -- I don't see much in-depth discussion of this on Corvette Forum, so I'm guessing that the other site is Vetteheads.

If so, maybe time to change boards.

[Mark D.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

I've heard all the info is available and it's buried somewhere in the grassy knoll.

[John H.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Will Roy or anyone else please post the link to John Hinckley's quotes ? I can't find them anywhere, and I want to see them from the horse's mouth . TIA

Wayne -

Yes, those are my quotes, from an announcement of the service that I wrote for publication in "Corvette Enthusiast" magazine; however, the magazine became history a couple of weeks after I submitted the item, so this is the only place they'll ever be in print.

[Henry J.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

Wayne -

Yes, those are my quotes, from an announcement of the service that I wrote for publication in "Corvette Enthusiast" magazine; however, the magazine became history a couple of weeks after I submitted the item, so this is the only place they'll ever be in print.

John:

It apprears, from what is stated with respect to the first service, that the physical street address of the "Delivered To" dealer is NOT INCLUDED in the information provided. Am I correct in this regard?

[Tom M.]

Re: GM 1962-1972 Corvette Delivery Data

I am continually amazed at human imagination please read the explanation of what the two services offer. Read John Hinckley’s quotes. If the information is not of interest to you then blow it off, forget about it, but don’t continue to speculate and wish for something that has not been promised. NCRS is and has been the leader in the restoration and preservation aspect of the Corvette Hobby; they will continue to be for some time. Publications such as the Authentication Library volumes one and two have provided members with the tools to validate there own trim tags and protect-o-plates.
The two new services are a big step forward and in some eyes very important.

The first service is the CORVETTE SHIPPING DATA REPORT. The information consists of the dealer code, dealer name and the date the car was produced. The good news is this should allow you to find the original dealer where your Corvette was sold and possibly open the door to finding more information about your Corvette. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your NCRS address on record.

The second service is the CORVETTE DOCUMENT VALIDATION. NCRS will compare any of your GM documents to the GM records contained in the Shipping Report and if verification can be achieved, will establish the authenticity of your factory documents. Unfortunately, the shipping report does not contain the vehicle options. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your NCRS address on record

John Hinckley summarized it in the following two quotes:

"If you don't have any docs and want to know what dealer sold the car originally (or, to be more accurate, the dealer to which the car was originally delivered), the "Shipping Data Report" will tell you that."

"If you have some docs (like a tank sticker or window sticker, Car Shipper, etc.) and aren't sure about its accuracy or authenticity, the "Document Validation Service" will answer that question."

The choice is yours, you can assume it is worthless and not order either, or if you have purported original documents you can order the validation service. There is no mention in any of this description that references a judging decision or judging opinion, this is not a judging issue, NCRS does not judge paperwork.

Some individuals including me will order both for the cars they own.

This is a great tool for your Corvette, Thank you NCRS