Bill of Lading from 1969

[Terry M.]

Ralph Spears asked me to post this photo of a 1969 Corvette Bill of Lading. He thinks this is the kind of record (on microfiche) the NCRS has gained access to.

[Gary C.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Terry and Ralph,

Visualize a "green bar" printout from a mid 60's IBM computer system printer.

While the printout may contain the same information as shown in Ralph's document scan. The fiche is a copy of a green bar printout report. Green bar paper example is attached.

Gary
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[Terry M.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Gary,

I know what green bar paper is, and so does Ralph. I only enter what he asks, I am not responsible for the content.

[Glenn B.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Terry, the Bill of Lading includes the dealer address, the car weight and car trim information.

None of this information is provided (to my knowledge) by the NCRS information offering. I would love to receive this info if it was available

I am assumning that the NCRS does not have this info available at this time.

[Terry M.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Glenn, you assUme correctly.

In the early 1970s Ralph used to work at Framingham, Mass, unloading new vehicles, including Corvettes, from freight trains. In the course of that activity he accumulated some interesting memorabilia. In the past he has had me post pictures of St Louis items he found in Corvettes.

I believe this bill of lading is from a 1969 Corvette that Ralph used to own -- a car that has since passed on to the great Corvette junk yard in the sky. If I understand Ralph's CV correctly he worked at a Chevrolet dealership in the Boston area doing new-car preparation when he took delivery of the 1969. Few of us can claim to have done the dealer preparation on our own Corvette. Ralph can. This item is from his personal collection.

[Glenn B.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

I can only imagine the implications of having the original factory trim and vehicle weights available...

[Rob M.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

I can only imagine the implications of having the original factory trim and vehicle weights available...

Factory trim shouldn't be to big of an issue (it is on the trim plate anyway). Now the weight is a different story...

[Michael H.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

I would think that if the weight is listed on these Bill of Lading as noted on that picture then why wouldn't NCRS release this information ?

[Gary C.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Michael,

NCRS DOES NOT have the car shipping weight information! If NCRS did it would be available. NCRS has made available all of the information it has that's on the Shipping Data Reports.

As I inadequately attempted to explain on the 2nd post in this thread in response to Terry's posting for Ralph - here's the Shipping Data Report information NCRS has and envision it's on "green bar" paper.

One line on a page for each VIN #, 21 lines per page, a blank line between each record line. 1963 production was 21,513 Corvettes, this equals approximately 1,025 pages on microfiche with 1963 Corvette Shipping Data.

Car VIN # Zone # Dealer # Production Date

Gary
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[George J.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Gary,
thanks for the clarification. I think this explanation would have gone a long way in halting all of the speculation, etc., that happened when the news of this service first appeared. It would still possibly help to post an actual picture of what the Club has, in a readable form.

George

[Terry M.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

I would think that if the weight is listed on these Bill of Lading as noted on that picture then why wouldn't NCRS release this information ?

You might think that, but your assUmption is that NCRS has the bill of lading information. Please read the first five posts in this thread carefully. I made every effort to state that Ralph has this information for one car, and NCRS does not have it. How do we fail reading comprehension so miserably?

Edit add: Look I will solve this problem. No more pictures from Ralph. You all lose.

[Glenn B.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Michael,

NCRS DOES NOT have the car shipping weight information! If NCRS did it would be available. NCRS has made available all of the information it has that's on the Shipping Data Reports.

As I inadequately attempted to explain on the 2nd post in this thread in response to Terry's posting for Ralph - here's the Shipping Data Report information NCRS has and envision it's on "green bar" paper.

One line on a page for each VIN #, 21 lines per page, a blank line between each record line. 1963 production was 21,513 Corvettes, this equals approximately 1,025 pages on microfiche with 1963 Corvette Shipping Data.

Car VIN # Zone # Dealer # Production Date

Gary
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To be precise....

Car VIN #, Zone #, Dealer #, Dealer Name, Production Date

[Pat H.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

The document that Terry posted is from the Ste.Therese Assembly Plant, north of Montreal. I use to put these shipping documents in the car when I first started. The car listed is a 69 Impala 2 Dr V-8. I may have typed the VIN and Body tag as well as that was one of my other jobs at the plant.

[Keith L.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

[quote=Gary Chesnut (5895);517501]Michael,

NCRS DOES NOT have the car shipping weight information! If NCRS did it would be available. NCRS has made available all of the information it has that's on the Shipping Data Reports.

As I inadequately attempted to explain on the 2nd post in this thread in response to Terry's posting for Ralph - here's the Shipping Data Report information NCRS has and envision it's on "green bar" paper.

One line on a page for each VIN #, 21 lines per page, a blank line between each record line. 1963 production was 21,513 Corvettes, this equals approximately 1,025 pages on microfiche with 1963 Corvette Shipping Data.

1. Car VIN # Zone # Dealer # Production Date

I think some of the speculation and confusion comes from the other service offered. On one hand the if the line above is all we have, so how are they going to do the Doc verification with that info? ...
How can both be true?
2.Document Validation Service NCRS will compare any of your GM documents to the GM records contained in the Shipping Report and if verification can be achieved, will establish the authenticity of your factory documents.

If all they will do is see if the dealer on a window sticker for instance is the same as the shipping report, then why would anyone order the Doc verification? They could just order the shipping info and see for themselves. And if that is not the case then there had to be something in the shipping report that is not released in the first service.
I'm not trying to sturr something up but I don't get the two services coming from the same info as they state it does, unless something is held back.

[Gary C.]

Re: Bill of Lading from 1969

Keith,

Let me assure you that NCRS can validate authentic documents related to a particular VIN #. The process is kept secret so as not to benefit the paper counterfeiters.

NCRS does not have any Option or Shipping Weight information available. If NCRS did have Option or Shipping Weight information, it would be included on the Shipping Data Report.

Bottom line, if you think you have "real documents", then it's worth the $40 to confirm they are real.

Gary
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