Why is there no photos of members cars

[Terry M.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Ralph,
One of the problems with photos of parts is the situation where one part is a service replacement for my 1970, but may be just like the production part for a 1978. So I post a picture and say this part is the service replacement, and the guy with a 1978 buys the part like is on my 1970 and puts it on his car. In my 15 years as 1970-72 team leader I saw it happen a lot.

There is no substitute of the owner doing his own research.

[Terry M.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Stewart,
You are assuming that every photo will have 100% correct parts and finishes. I can guarantee you that will not happen. ALL the books published, including the NCRS TIM&JG has errors and EVERY photo will also. Then there is the issue of lighting in the photo changing the gloss level or even the color of finishes.

You need VIN numbers so that you can determine if the picture shown has any relevance to your car. If it is at the opposite end of the model year, you may not even want to look at it.

There are no short cuts to a quality restoration, and there is no substitute for thorough research.

[Ralph A.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Ralph,
One of the problems with photos of parts is the situation where one part is a service replacement for my 1970, but may be just like the production part for a 1978. So I post a picture and say this part is the service replacement, and the guy with a 1978 buys the part like is on my 1970 and puts it on his car. In my 15 years as 1970-72 team leader I saw it happen a lot.

There is no substitute of the owner doing his own research.

Do not disagree...but if we are using photos for the JG then these should be included as a reference....The newer members have no clue what they are looking for and with a large percent of the restored cars being built from repo parts. Either good or bad repos. How do we train the next wave of judges.

Lets at least get a registry....

The parts issue leads into a completely different thread on training the newbe......just adding comment.

[William L.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

I like the idea of pictures. As far as vin#s go. If a person doesn't what to use there complete vin , how about something like this. 194377S 1216XX.
Bill

[Terry M.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

This is one of the reasons I preferred line drawings for the TIM&JG. With line drawings one can control what is in the image and draw the viewer's attention to the items under discussion. Although the real reason we did not use photos previously was the technology to get clear photo reproductions was beyond the expense account we had to produce the manuals.

The balance of information quantity is probably on the side of photos, but information quality will suffer.

[Stewart A.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Terry photos are always a guide but they are a good guide. There must be a quality car out there in all years that has been judged and passed with flighing colours. I see heaps of Top flight cars out there Duntov/ trippple crown/ bloomington awards and etc. Surely they can be a good guide. It would be a good guide and a guide only. Lighting is always difficult in photos that's what makes a good photo to a poor photo. Finishes would be hard to get correct but if the lighting is good you should be able to get a good idea between matt, semi and high gloss colours.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Stewart,
You are assuming that every photo will have 100% correct parts and finishes. I can guarantee you that will not happen. ALL the books published, including the NCRS TIM&JG has errors and EVERY photo will also. Then there is the issue of lighting in the photo changing the gloss level or even the color of finishes.

You need VIN numbers so that you can determine if the picture shown has any relevance to your car. If it is at the opposite end of the model year, you may not even want to look at it.

There are no short cuts to a quality restoration, and there is no substitute for thorough research.

I agree. This would only be good for picture collectors & people that will not take the time to go to a NCRS meet & look at the cars,talk to the owners & judges. ASk questions when you are there. Pictures lie. My 70 marlboro maroon looks red in pictures. We need our members to go to the meets & not set in front of the damn computer all day. It seems like people do not want to talk anymore. Most want to email & text insted of even calling some one let alone get involved & go to the meetings & meets. Just the take of a 64 year old man.
KEN

[Brian K.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Check out http://www.chevelles.com/forums/. We have really one forum "Technical Discussion"

They also have "Sister sites" for Camaro, Impala, Nova, etc.

Why not others like Team Chevelle of which I am also a member.

Also, with the avitars, you can't make it larger for viewing.

[Kent G.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

How about just using the build date instead of the vin#? I assume most folks know that infomation about their cars. That would solve early/late year issues and protect everyone. Then if members want to discuss specific vin #'s they can do it off line or via private emails. Our car is a December 16, 1969 build date and varies a lot from cars made early in the year.

Kent

[Joseph T.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Stewart,
You are assuming that every photo will have 100% correct parts and finishes. I can guarantee you that will not happen. ALL the books published, including the NCRS TIM&JG has errors and EVERY photo will also. Then there is the issue of lighting in the photo changing the gloss level or even the color of finishes.

You need VIN numbers so that you can determine if the picture shown has any relevance to your car. If it is at the opposite end of the model year, you may not even want to look at it.

There are no short cuts to a quality restoration, and there is no substitute for thorough research.

Terry

My grade school teacher told me

" answer the questions you know the answers to first and that will leave more time to answer the the ones you don't "

I think the beginning of this thread about pictures of members cars was more about show and tell but moved into the reference potential that pictures might have..

You are dead on about pictures being deceiving but as a default they could help move the conversation along. Without the example of a virgin car which there are very few of, pictures may be the next best alternative. As you know even the AIM's can be deceiving.

I suspect some of the wise people who were able to reconstruct the TDB could also construct a TDB link that allows for pictures of member cars in a way that either does not interfere with judging or provides a forum to discuss the merits of a submitted picture. I think the latter would improve the TDB.

For example todays question about 1954 powerglides. Give our members a reason to and they will go photograph their parts and post them. A photo parts link with pictures would be an upgrade to the archive access..I think.

Joe

[Roy B.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

What am I missing ? I thought we were talking about just adding a pic of our Corvettes not about parts or color tint.

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

What am I missing ? I thought we were talking about just adding a pic of our Corvettes not about parts or color tint.

ROY
I see a picture of your Corvette. I have a picture of one of my cars. What is the point of posting hundreds of pictures of members cars? Sort of a cyber cruise in for picture takers & ego trips for some owners.
KEN

[Roy B.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Not every one has a Corvette pic in their Avatar and some people would like to see the owners Corvette pic.
I dont see anything wrong with a pic of thier Corvette posted in some fileSoooo?

[Kent G.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

Ken,
So what if someone gets an ego boost from posting pics of their cars? If that part of corvettes appeals to them so be it. What harm is there in having pictures? I think most vette owners have a bit of their ego tied up in their car(s). That's not the point I would like to make though. Being 3 years into a body off restoration there have been many times when a quick run to the computer to access well organized photos of other cars would have been invaluable. Often waiting for the next organized event to figure out exactly where something goes, what color it should be, etc. just isn't practical. I think most users of this board are smart enough to know that just looking at a picture and taking it as the gospel would be unwise, but it could be useful. Besides, it would undoubtably allow folks a great chance to get feedback from some of the many knowledgable users on this board. I'm all for it.
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Kent

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Why is there no photos of members cars

[quote=Kent Greimel (49623);375941]Ken,
So what if someone gets an ego boost from posting pics of their cars? If that part of corvettes appeals to them so be it. What harm is there in having pictures? I think most vette owners have a bit of their ego tied up in their car(s). That's not the point I would like to make though. Being 3 years into a body off restoration there have been many times when a quick run to the computer to access well organized photos of other cars would have been invaluable. Often waiting for the next organized event to figure out exactly where something goes, what color it should be, etc. just isn't practical. I think most users of this board are smart enough to know that just looking at a picture and taking it as the gospel would be unwise, but it could be useful. Besides, it would undoubtably allow folks a great chance to get feedback from some of the many knowledgable users on this board. I'm all for it.
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I agree. But it's not a great restoration tool. Terry's original point. Post all the pictures you want but is it just eye candy. I will post tons of my pictures. I have no problem with posting pictures. I would like to see the cars with the owners so we could put a face of people that post here.
Just my thought.
KEN