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  • Craig S.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 1, 1997
    • 2471

    #1

    Headlight Motor Repair- copy from long thread

    Duke - I am copying my post from below into a new thread per your suggestion, here it is:

    Duke and George - you are right, this thread is getting long. I have taken the advanced 5 hour evening class from Steve Hack (Eastern Corvettes) on this topic, which also included the windshield wiper motor repair.

    First, the points you reference are a thermal overload protector, with a bimetal strip that heats up and opens the points when the motors bind, draw too much current, and is designed to prevent thermal overload of the armature windings. This phenolic plate is held in place with two spring steel clips, and you can pull hit out over the armature end. It also contains the spring loaded carbon brushes and springs, so be careful when you remove it you don't loose parts. Its sort of like working on an alternator. These brushes NEVER wear out, and are not replaced. they see so little run time they virtually last forever. Once the brush assembley with integral points is out of the way, you can extract the armature. If it does NOT come out freely, don't pull! There is a spring loaded heim ball shaped bronze oilite bearing in the rear housing that is self aligning. It is VERY common for the armature shaft to freeze to the bearing, and then the total bearing spins in the spring clip alignment asm I mentioned. This happens frequently, and results in slow running motors with excess current draw. To get the bushing loose, and this is touchy (Steve does it all the time and has excellent luck) you need to carefully push the armature TOWARDS the thumbwheel end, and when holding it against the end bell, use a small torch to heat the housing NEAR the armature, keeping the bronze bearing in contact with the end bell with force from your other hand. Mount the hosing loosely in a vise. If you don't push the armature towards the end bell, you won't heat the bearing up, just the case, and accomplish nothing. The trick is heating enough to expand/loosen the bearing so you can carefully tap the armature loose with a small brass hammer, without overpowering and forcing the bearing through the spring steel cage. This cage, once it pops through (and it will) is a one way affair, and to repair AFTER you do that (and I know, I did) yo have to follow the three screw capture process I explained a couple weeks ago in a long post (you can search for it). Also, don't overheat the armature when you perform this operation, as the the end play is controlled by a PLASTIC section on the armature, and it WILL MELT if too hot. You can also burn up the plastic plug housing if you are not careful. So...my first crack at this did not succeed, and I ended up with the bronze ball coming out with the armature. It was very tight, and I carefully worked it loose, and used the 3 screw floatiing repair process.

    As Duke says...NEVER use wheel bearing grease, only WHITE LITHIUM. This is the correct grease to use in these assemblies. In the gearcase, pay careful attention to the cupped sring washer placement etc. Steve DOES adjust the end play to control the motor timing, but you must maintain at least minimal play that you can feel when you grab the armature (as Duke mentions 10-20 thousandths is reasonable). IN spite of the thinking that you would have to bind the end play to slow, it does seem to be controllable even with some end travel. We timed a pair in the class at Bloomington, and Steve puts a small mark on the end of the pot metal gear on the end you see in the housing (end opposite engaged end) and times the rotation for say 20 seconds, counting the number of revolutions, and adjust one or the other motor so they are similar. Both still had end play when done.

    Hope this helps!....Craig
  • Craig S.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 1, 1997
    • 2471

    #2
    Re: Headlight Motor Repair- copy from long thread

    By the way, Steve never reuses the other side of the gear. He considers these consumables and tosses them every time, even if they only look slightly worn. However, they do list for about $58 from GM (pre-discount) and the repros ARE NOT the same, they are a a lighter material, he tried them before and had customers sending motors back, so he only uses the GM gears. Be sure you get your buckets so they rotate with only slight pressure from a finger, or you will overtax your new rebuilt motors and cause gear damage...Craig

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    • Duke W.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • January 1, 1993
      • 15229

      #3
      Re: Headlight Motor Repair- copy from long thread

      Excellent post, Craig!

      You confimed some suspicions I had - like the brushes last forever.

      I recall in the seventies having a headlight run slow and taking the gearbox apart, cleaning, and greasing it, and everything was fine. I probably also did the other one not long after. I can't recall if I just rotated the worm gear or installed a new one - may have done one each way. I also helped a friend do his '67 about the same time, and he didn't plan on keeping it forever, so I think we just rotated the worm gears. I DO remember buying a GMPD worm gear back in the seventies and maybe my memory is fading, but I recall it was only about two-and-a-half bucks with a discount. I'm sure I still have the receipt!

      Your post confirms that I was wise not to take the motors apart, and I don't plan to do so. The armtures spun freely with the thumbwheels and the motors spun at about the same speed on a bench test. I think "if it works don't fix it" is a good philosophy on the headlight motors, and if one ever does need attention, they are easy to take off the car.

      Sounds like you've got the makings of a Corvette Restorer article.

      Duke

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      • Craig S.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • July 1, 1997
        • 2471

        #4
        Re: Headlight Motor Repair- copy from long thread

        Duke, it was a very interesting class....I learned a lot from Steve. Since he does so many of these motor restorations, it was interesting to hear the ins and outs of the issues they have. The wiper motor was very interesting too, as I recall, the clutch mechanism with all the switches was very interesting. I will have to dig up my notes...as I recall, Steve gave us a handout the tips and tricks on this....by the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using the "other side" of the gear, but, if you have a stripped gear on one side, there is no way to run the motors continually to time them. But it does save some money...thx!....Craig

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        • George C.
          Expired
          • November 1, 2001
          • 568

          #5
          Re: Headlight Motor Repair- copy from long thread

          Craig & Duke,
          I appreciate all of your information and assistance. Two hot leads on the wire harness should have been my tipoff on motor direction, the point set being an overload protection makes sense now.
          So my first project will be to clean all the wheel bearing grease off everything and start over with white lithium.
          Fortunately neither motor had a bound up bronze bearing but the motor that ran slowly was pretty close, another season would have finished it off I am sure. The brushes as suggested are in good shape, and I have cleaned the commutators of a carbon build up.
          I now understand the purpose of the "speed adjustment" and will set endplay accordingly, then test for speed.
          The worm gear wear is not bad at all, but I still want to attempt to set them up to run on the new surface. That may take some thinking about motor direction for open versus close and where the slot for the pivot shaft is placed upon assembly.

          Thank you both again for sharing your expertise,

          George

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          • Craig S.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • July 1, 1997
            • 2471

            #6
            Re: Headlight Motor Repair- copy from long thread

            George - glad your bearings weren't seized...that's a real pain. What I would suggest, is marking the gear end you view that protrudes through the housing with a black felt tip marker in the area where the wear side is. Then, you can time the motors, and just make sure you stop it OPPOSITE the worm, so when you assemble, the motor rotates on the new section. Some folks use a completely striped out gear this way, and it works too. It's just you can't time the assembly, and, any good rebuilder would never rebuild a motor in this way for a paying customer, one of the reasons Steve never reuses the gear. Good luck, you are well on you way!....Craig

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