Flight Judging Paint Question

[George D.]

Presuming the body color is correct. What are the rules governing how the originality points deduction is determined for a car that has been painted with basecoat/clearcoat that was originally painted from the factory with lacquer? This has probably been asked before, but there always seems to be an elusive answer. There should only be one answer.

Thanks

[Mike M.]

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Judging system isn't perfect. there will only be one answer when there is only one exterior judge.Tom Ames, Restorer vol 29 # 4 page 33 goes over the base coat clear coat issue as well as anyone to date. good luck, mike

[Bill W.]

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sorry Mike but I still dont have my restoter .When I judge paint if its close enough I cant tell for sure I give the car the points. On metallics its very easy to tell. solids its a little harder. the problem is the thickness .the factory used 2 to 3 coats of very lightly buffed ,dull,orange peeley paint. (St Louis plant)you could not look into the paint and see any depth let alone your reflection.so even if you wast your money and time having flatner in your clear .which will always be dull even when your done judging its still to thick. you loose your body lines and details.Also if you put base in your last coat of clear to dull the paint and make it pull color your paint will have a short life. ALL the sun screens are in the clear .If the car is sanded smooth to hide the orange peel & texture you loose points for over restoration.I think IF you have tried to use the correct shade, correct color, correct small metallic ,dont have tape lines in the jambs & dont over restore you have a good chance.but dont insult a good judge by spraying that flat &$#% in the door jambs the biggest givaways are the hinges ,hood edges ,vent gutters, gas pockets ,tape lines ,etc. places a buffer cant hit &you cant hide the texture.I think correct lacquer should get 100% with appropriate deducts for bc/cc lacquer and bc/cc urathane etc. as long as an attempt was made for correct match.full deducts should be only for owners who made no attemt to duplicate orig paint.PS the factory did not tape the jambs.
Bill

[Dennis C.]

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Bill says a mouthfull in his repsonse. Read it, learn it, live it... Good stuff

[Jack H.]

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What others have said is on the money! Judging has a human (art form) aspect to it and you CAN expect there to be variance (meet to meet, judge to judge, Etc.). While there is variance in the process, the law of large numbers acts to temper the final bottom line score and hold it pretty darn tight from judging to judging.

The key operative in the standard deduction text is 'obvious' use of clear coat. So, this is where the art form in restoration meets the art form in judging.... If you're looking for a precise algorithm as to what's what and how many points for this/that with respect to exterior paint originality I don't think you're going to find it--just best efforts advice from senior judges on how they evaluate this/that.

[Dennis C.]

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What the hell is an algorithm - or do I care...

[Patrick H.]

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A tap dance by a former Vice President?

[Verle R.]

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An algorithm is a specific formula that will produce the same results when followed by anyone.

Verle

[Ed S.]

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....unless operated by a politician !

Ed

[Mike M.]

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or a team leader who doesn't have a clue. #14

[Jack H.]

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Sometimes the term 'formula' is replaced with the phrase "an unambigious set of unchanging steps or proceedures"....

But, hat's off to ole Verle. He'd get A+ in my math class!!!!

[Dennis C.]

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Gee, sorry I missed the sign-up deadline for that math class... I'm still kind'a hung up on 2 + 2 = 4

[Jack H.]

Only in base 10, Amigo! *NM*