100.0 Point C4s

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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 42936

    #1

    100.0 Point C4s

    Well, folks, the foreclosure of possibility of future 100.0 point C4 Corvettes may have, effectively, occurred. As some folks may know, C4 Corvettes used a battery known as a Group 75B. Delco used to offer both a 75A and a 75B. The 75A was used for the vast majority of installations requiring the Group 75 size battery. The 75B was used only for a small number of applications, including C4 Corvette.

    What's the difference between a 75A and a 75B. Well, to most folks, it's a rather insignificant one and most C4 Corvettes are fitted with 75A replacement batteries since they are the only one that most distributors stock. However, the difference in the 2 batteries is the relative position of the Delco-Eye, built-in hydrometer. For 75A batteries, the Delco-Eye is on the positive terminal side of the battery's upper surface; for 75B batteries the Delco Eye is on the negative terminal side of the battery's upper surface. That's because on C4 applications, the Delco-Eye on the positive side of the battery is obscured from sight by other vehicle components.

    Well, it seems that in the last few years Delco has discontinued the 75B series batteries. Now, there is just one battery known as group 75; no suffix codes. However, the placement of the Delco Eye is the same as the old 75A. I don't think that any other manufacturer ever offered A and B-suffix coded group 75 batteries since none ever used a built-in hydrometer.

    Of course, the Delco-Eye, built-in hydrometer is just about as useless of an item as there could be, in my opinion. I don't think that they ever work properly and no one that I know of, including me, pays any attention to them, at all. I find it hard to believe that they've been installed in Delco batteries all these years. I think that it's more of a marketing thing than useful. The Delco Eye may give the battery more PERCEIVED value and sophistication.

    In any event, when future C4 judges are looking for that negative side Delco-Eye, I don't think that they're going to find any. Batteries are limited life items and that's especially true of these maintenence-free, sealed type units. Even if there are a few in-service or old stock 75B's still around, their life clock is ticking and there's no way to stop that. It's inexorable. And, like each of us, when their dead, their dead.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15229

    #2
    Re: 100.0 Point C4s

    Interesting discussion, Joe. On a related topic I still have the original OEM Delco "Freedom Battery" from my Cosworth Vega that died circa 1982. It's a Group 75 with no "eye".

    I've heard that batteries can be rebuilt, but have never found a place that can do it. Do you know of any outfits that can rebuild an original battery?

    Duke

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 42936

      #3
      Re: 100.0 Point C4s

      Duke----

      No, I don't. And, if someone tried to tell me that they could do it, I'd be VERY skeptical. "Rebuilt" batteries of yore were, essentially, just non-maintenence free batteries that had been drained of electrolyte and re-filled with a fresh batch of same. For certain battery failure modes, this might provide a short-lived "reprieve" for the battery. Another rebuild trick was the addition of some sort of "snake oil" elixir to the battery's electrolyte. This was another very temporary fix. Most of these tricks were probably developed by and used primarily by used car dealers that wanted to get a few more weeks use out of a battery so that they didn't have to BUY (heaven forbid) a new battery for a car on the lot.

      Actually, though, batteries are effectively rebuilt now. The process is started by companies called, in the vernacular, "battery breakers". They take old batteries, drain them, break them apart and salvage just about all of the materials that the batteries are made from. Then, the materials are recycled into NEW batteries by these same or other companies. That's how you can EFFECTIVELY "rebuild" an old battery and it's the only way that I know of.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Reba Whittington

        #4
        Re: 100.0 Point C4s

        Duke, I have one of those 1976 Cosworth batteries sitting in the back of my garage also. I meant to give it to the guy who bought the car, but forgot about it. Maybe we can get a good price for them on Ebay.

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        • Terry M.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • October 1, 1980
          • 15488

          #5
          Rebuilt batteries *TL*

          Yes, Joe, there really used to be battery rebuilders, at least in the Midwest there was. Back in the days of tar top batteries there were companies in the Chicago area, and I would presume in other well populated parts of the country, which drained the acid, melted the top from the batteries and removed the plates. They then installed new plates, tar tops, and acid. These batteries were as good as new and sold at somewhat of a discount - not to mention contributing to political correctness by recycling.
          The advent of the plastic case battery, and the concomitant rise of environmental regulations doomed this business in the late 1960s. I used to be employed by a company that did a great deal of business with a battery rebuilder, until they (the battery company) went out of business.




          Terry

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          • Jack H.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 1, 1990
            • 9893

            #6
            Still alive....

            at least to some extent--the local battery rebuild shop. There are probably three places in Denver that do this with the target market being corporate loading dock fork lifts sporting recharable battery technology. Of course, this is the home of Gates too. Battery technology has come a LONG way from the days of ye olde tar top with user fillable acid wells, but in the right vein certain things will be rebuilt if it's economically feasible.

            I've asked several of these places if they'd consider 'cracking' a tar top and the result was a head scratch + 'Why on earth?' question reply. When told the $$$ involved in a repro tar top plus the advantage to having a real McCoy reassembled, they understood.

            Of course, nobody JUMPED at the opportunity because it meant learning a 'new' battery technology. But, wouldn't it be NICE to have a deep discharge profile, super compact, sealed, lead-acid gel battery 'lurking inside a correct/original case (tar top or otherwise)! Since so many of us hibernate our cars for the winter and/or between shows, this is the technology that makes SENSE for our application.....

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            • Mike Baker

              #7
              Re: Still alive....

              There was a business called DearBorn Battery Co.in Long Beach Ca up until at least the mid 90's that sold rebuilt batteries. I believe all they re-used of the original battery was the case. My father swore by them, it was all he would buy. I purchased a couple in 80's for different cars.

              I just searched the Yahoo yellow pages and they are not listed. They may be gone now. I think they were on East 10th at about the 1000 block.

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