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  • Mike M.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1974
    • 8365

    NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

    Wife and i just got back fron the AACA eastern division national spring meet where our ol 39 chevy woodie got its 1st junior. As most NCRS members know, a vet placed on a NCRS judging field will experience 6 to 8 hours of judging scrutiny presided over by 10 judges and a team leader.The AACA fellows(4 judges and a chief judge) spent 3 1/2 minutes to judge the woodie. I took the same pains to restore the woodie as i've done with all of our Duntov Vets. The AACA experience has reinforced my belief that NO CAR CLUB JUDGES LIKE WE DO> Congrats to all NCRS judges, team leaders and ROY-BOY. We are lite-years ahead of the antique crowd.
  • Michael R.
    Infrequent User
    • September 30, 1997
    • 29

    #2
    Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

    Hi Mike

    Congrats on your award at the AACA meet. You are correct in that NCRS is by far the best society devoted to the history, preservation and restoration of the Corvette. I am also a more than 25 year member of AACA. It is by far the best club devoted to the history, preservation and restoration of the automobile. Remember, NCRS is devoted to the corvette. AACA is devoted to ALL automobiles from the Model "T" to a Dusenberg to a Maxwell to a Willys-Overland to a MG-TD and the list goes on and on. My 1928 Chevrolet National has never been subjected to the judging quality of my 63 SWC. The knowledge base is just not as extensive as the specificity of the corvette and it is understanable with so many model and makes. Corvettes at Carlisle is a meeting of fantastic people and fantastic cars. AACA at Hershey is a learning experience which covers the development of the automobile a LOT further back than 1953!!! I enjoy both organizations very much. Just my $.02. Maybe I'll meet you in Nashville this week at your workshop. Would love to hear more about your '39 Woody.

    mike romano

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    • Bill W.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • March 1, 1980
      • 2000

      #3
      Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

      I went to a Camaro club national a few years ago with a friend.All the judged cars are parked in a lot. The owners cannot be on the judging field .the judges do a walk through . judging was based on condition & cleanliness.most of the cars were Z28s & big blocks. i dont think it mattered what they started life as .judge time looked to be about 2or3 min.per car. I also went to a 55 /57 show there were a few original cars but most had 350s ,power & air. at both shows braided hoses and chrome must have givin extra points.I think they competed for 1st 2nd & 3rd place. NCRS is the best . Bill

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      • Duke W.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 1, 1993
        • 15610

        #4
        Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

        NCRS sets the standard for vintage car judging. No other organization even comes close! Until the end of the nineties the Cosworth Vega Owners' Assc. judging standards were literally scratched on the back of an evelope and actually awarded points for modifications. I wrote a new set of guidelines and got the Club to approve them. I lifted the overall judging standard directly from NCRS.

        Now there is a basic check of matching numbers for the body/chassis, engine, trans and axle, plus a check for the correct alternator, stater/solenoid, and distributor. The classes are divided into to categories - restored and unrestored. A car is considered "unrestored" if at least 50 percent of the paint is original. Within each category there are "production" and "modified " classes, but the modifications must be of a functional nature, not just cosmetic, and must use OEM parts wherever possible.

        As a small club (about 300 members worldwide) we're probably ahead of many larger vintage marque clubs in terms of emphasizing and judging cars to an standard of orignal appearance and configuration rather than just a beauty contest of who has the shiniest paint and the most chrome.

        Duke

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        • John H.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • December 1, 1997
          • 16513

          #5
          Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

          Mike -

          After I built my tube-frame Grand Sport in 1996, I took it to the Midwest Region Classic Car Club of America Meet (Duesenbergs, Packards, etc.); three judges spent about 30 minutes on it, and I got a nice 15" Sterling Silver 1st Place engraved tray and a 100-Point Certificate. They got a kick out of judging it (they'd never seen one before), especially during the Ops Check when they fired it up with 4" open sidepipes

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          • mromano

            #6
            PS

            Hey Mike

            Consider the Vintage Chevrolet Club of America for your 39 woody. They use a judging style/assessment which evaluates the four main areas but not as extensive as NCRS. THey also put out a printed judging guide. I have copies of each.

            mike romano

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            • Bill W.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • March 1, 1980
              • 2000

              #7
              Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

              I worked an alot of Vegas when they were new. do you get orignalty points for rust? The sales people had a joke "if you listen real hard you can here the Vegas rusting." They were neat cars and made good drag racers.

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1989
                • 11608

                #8
                Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

                Hinckley ran the bodies through a salt bath instead of a galvanizing bath at the factory. Job security.

                Patrick
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
                Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                • Michael W.
                  Expired
                  • April 1, 1997
                  • 4290

                  #9
                  Are you related to George Romano? *NM*

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                  • Duke W.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • January 1, 1993
                    • 15610

                    #10
                    Re: NCRS vs. AACA judging experience

                    Beginning in '76 GM implemented a lot of rust preventative measures like "zincrometal" fenders (zinc coated on the inside) and they finally installed the plastic front fender liners that were nixed by the bean counters in '70 to save four bits per car. By that time they were about as resistant to rust as the average contemporaneous car, but most cars were still rust buckets at that point in time.

                    Because CVs are rare and unique more than the usual got good care and were not driven into the ground. Based on California emission test records and exptrapolating nationwide, about 10 percent of '75 -'76 Cosworth Vegas are still operable, but only one percent of the same year Vegas. Earlier model year Vegas are even rarer now.

                    Our own John Hinckley was the "launch manager" for the Cosworth Vega at Lordstown - responsible for getting the car into production - and he has some great war stories!

                    Duke

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                    • Mike M.
                      NCRS Past President
                      • May 31, 1974
                      • 8365

                      #11
                      Re: PS

                      Thanks mike. I took the 39 woodie to the summer regional VCCA meet near Pasadena, md. last summer and it got best 6 cyl of show. they did do a more exacting job of judging the old termite morsal but it wasn't close to ncrs scrutiny. think they (all judges involved) spent about a 1/2 hour going over it.By the way, i've been the VCCA tech advisor for mid-year vets for about 15 years and have gotten a total of 3 phone calls, none of which were very specific. one guy wanted to know if he could use a 65 chevy pickup clock in place of his missing 65 vet clock. I also have taken our 32 dodge to the dodge bro nat. conventions. They are adamantly opposed to judging cars. More interested in socializing over ice tea and cookies.don't get back to many of their meets.P.S. : when i was having the woodie VCCA judged, i was asked to judge the 62-65 chevy/chevy2, chevelle cars present. they put me one the mechanical and i promptly started deducting points for lack of VIN #s on pads. i had incorrectly assumed that since vets started having vin #s on pads in 61 that all chevys got vin #'d starting in 61. Not so. learn something new every day.mike

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                      • George Romano

                        #12
                        He's my biological step-cousin from my aunts side. *NM*

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                        • Clem Z.
                          Expired
                          • January 1, 2006
                          • 9427

                          #13
                          duke on a vega if 50% of the body was original

                          it should get a award.

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