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  • John M.
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    • January 1, 1999
    • 1553

    Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

    Gene,
    I have been off at Hershey and could not comment on the thread a few days ago on lacquer paint, but fell compelled to do so now and figured the old thread was so far down the list that nobody would read it.
    The question of lacquer paint is not as black and white as it would seem at first. There are many variables to take into account in deciding wether to use lacquer or not.
    The first item that must be decided is the intended use of the car. If the car is being prepared for flight judging, then the scale would tip toward lacquer as being the paint of choice. If the car is going to be driven a lot then the urethane paint woud be a better choice.
    If you are painting the car yourself or sending it out will also figure into the decision on whether to use lacquer or not. A top quality paint job from an expert Corvette painter will be about the same price for either paint, but the skill of the pinter will determine whether the urethane paint will pass for lacquer to most judges. If you are going to paint the car yourself, then I would submit that it will be very unlikely that you can create such a look on a urethane paint job with much success. This is quite an art, and takes much practice to do well. On the other hand, almost anyone can paint a car with lacquer in their own garage and put a finish on it that will please even the most demanding judge!
    Much has been said about the quality of the current lacquer being produced today, but I believe that it is being greatly overstated. I have been spraying Lacquer for over 30 years, and cannot tell much difference in the way the paint applies or lasts. I did some touchup work on my 60 2 days before leaving for Hershey, and the repairs were rubbed out the following day and looked as perfect as the 4 year old paint.
    I am not against urethane paint, and will be using it on my 59 driver that is underway. I do belive however that if Flight judging is in your future, and you want the maximum ammount of points possible, then Lacquer is the only resonable choice. If you are willing to risk 20-30 points to have better paint life after judging is over than maybe urethane is the better choice. It never ceases to amaze me however, when someone takes a large deduct for urethane paint, and is mad about it! Make an informed decision, and weigh the benefits versus the liabilities of each paint system.

    Regards, John McGraw
  • Eugene B.
    Very Frequent User
    • May 31, 1988
    • 710

    #2
    Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

    John,
    Thank you for your comments and insights regarding lacquer vs. urethane. My car will probably never come under the watchful eyes of a Flight judge. I have owned the car for 30+ years and will probably have it another 20. It will always be a driver to me. I was concerned that a repaint job might drastically affect the value of the car when time comes to sell. For instance, I might spend $5000 to have the car painted with urethane, only to find out that I decreased the value of the car by $5000. Don't need a $10,000 swing because of one decision!

    Thanks again, John.

    Regards,
    Gene

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    • Bill W.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • March 1, 1980
      • 2000

      #3
      Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

      nothing lasts forever. urathane peels,can turn white.cracks and crazes.

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      • John P.
        Expired
        • February 18, 2010
        • 160

        #4
        Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

        But John who do you get you paint from
        I will be painting my own car I just dont know where to get lacquer paint?

        My 69 was cortez silver any ideas where I can get the primers and top coat?
        Im in north carolina
        johnny

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        • John M.
          Expired
          • January 1, 1999
          • 1553

          #5
          Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

          Johnny,
          I would start out by asking your local paint suppliers if they know of a supplier close by who stocks lacquer paint. There is only one supplier in the Austin area who still stocks the material, and they are a PPG dealer. The Dupont supplier quit stocking lacquer about 5 years ago due to low demand.
          If that proves unproductive, there is a place on the web called I believe Auto Color Warehouse sells lacquer by mail. THere are only a very few states wher it is illeagle to sell Lacquer paint. I would imagine that the time is rapidly approaching where almost all Lacquer will be sold by a very few national vendors due to the low demand making it not econmical for local suppliers to devote the space for it in the mixing room.

          Regards, John McGraw

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          • Kevin Whiteley

            #6
            Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

            There has been alot of conversation regarding lacquer vs. urethane, etc. But what about primers. How did STL do it? I've heard that there were two types of "primers". What did STL use? And, are there better primers today?

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            • Bill W.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • March 1, 1980
              • 2000

              #7
              Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

              St louis used dark grey (black ) & red . the second coat was a guide coat.lacquer primers are still around . if you use lacquer primer (you dont have to) be sure you use sealer before the top coat. You should be able to contact Dupont for a list of dealers that still carry lacquer. the one I use ( Alton Ill.) does not have a licence to ship. Bill

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              • Wayne W.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • April 30, 1982
                • 3605

                #8
                Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

                Try Alamance Auto Parts, in Burlington NC. (PPG)

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                • John M.
                  Expired
                  • January 1, 1999
                  • 1553

                  #9
                  Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

                  Primer is one of those areas where you would be ill advised to replicate the original process. The original primer was lacquer-based primer surfacer, but there are primer surfacers out there that are a much better choice, regardless of your choice of topcoat. I use PPG NCP-271 which is a urethane based primer-surfacer, but all the manufacturers have a comparable product. The advantage of a non-lacquer based primer is the almost total absence of sand scratches telegraphing back through the topcoat. On lacquer primer, the application of the topcoat allows the thinner to penetrate the primer and causes the sanding scratches to swell up. When the paint dries the scratches are still visible.
                  The urethane or epoxy primers give the ability to sand and rub out the topcoat sooner without the worry of sand scratches coming back through.

                  Regards, John McGraw

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                  • John P.
                    Expired
                    • February 18, 2010
                    • 160

                    #10
                    Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

                    I thought it was a "no no" to mix the 2 types of paint?
                    I dont have a problem trying it but the word on the street is not to mix them like that, what kind of prep work do you do after priming to ready the car for top coat of lacquer? also my car is quartez silver any sugestions on this color?

                    johnny

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                    • John M.
                      Expired
                      • January 1, 1999
                      • 1553

                      #11
                      Re: Lacquer paint - another viewpoint

                      The key is to follow the Technical info sheets for the product! On PPG NCP-271, You can use a lacquer top coat, but can not put it over Lacquer unless it is sealed with an Epoxy like DP90. Follow the tech sheets, and make friends with the counter guy at your supplier. You will be amazed at the info he can provide. He hears all day long about what causes problems with what and what to do to get arond the problem.

                      Regards, John McGraw

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