I just aquired a windshield washer jar and pump that came out of a 59 Chevy Apache. I have the plastic container from my 62 and was wondering if I found a "blue" lid if this pump would fit. The unit looks the same with all the fittings and is in good condition. Since this assembly cost very little I thought I would take a shot and see if it would work - otherwise it will make a nice dust catcher! Thanks for any help on this. Eric
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Re: Windshield washer pump
This is the 'method' catalog houses like C-Central use to give you a 'correct' reproduction washer. They package a scrap yard pump assy (in dissected pieces) with replacement rivets and a repro plastic lid. Your 'mission' is to assemble and make work.
In a lot of cases this is a 'my hat's off to you' endeavor for a number of reasons:
(1) Scrap yard pump assy has typically been sitting dry for a
long time and internal gaskets (there are several that are
critical to proper operation of pump) are 'fryed'.
(2) System works off a nominal 7 psi vac source from the intake
manifold. Even with the vac storage tank and it's check valve
there's little design safety margin to spare. If all
components aren't up to snuff (low friction, Etc), you can
tear your hair out tweaking this/that only to see maybe a
'burble' of water exit the squirter nozzles....
(3) This is the Trico Coordinated washer system that was used
by MANY vehicle mfgrs (Ford, GM, Etc.). There are subtile
differences in basic 'pin out' of the pump head as well as
depth/length of the pump pick-up nozzle that vary with time
of mfgr and target vehicle. Be a real pity if your objective
was to do well in a Corvette factory concours, you fought
the good fight to make everything work and had a savvy set
of judges go over the car and take a major deduction for a
basic Ford pump in a Corvette....
Not trying to rain on your parade, just giving you the lay of the land for what lies ahead. As I remember, there's a very old back issue of Restorer (see search facilities on main web page) that gives pretty good troubleshooting details for this washer system. In my experience, those you've tackled the job of moving an early Chevy 'mayonaise jar' pump onto a later plastic lid and tried to get the system fully operational for Corvette concours, it's maybe a 1 in 10 shot at doing it right the first time without having to re-do and/or troubleshoot extensively.
If you're after a non-concours 'driver' result, back off! There's a superior approach....
In the mid/late '60's as virtually everyone abandoned vac actuated washer technology for electric/mechanical methods, Trico offered an upgrade kit. Consisted of grey plastic jar lid, a built-in electric pump, and a vac actuator nipple. You 'stuff' the lid assy on your existing washer jar, connect the vac line from the wiper motor's coordinator valve to the pump, and run the electric pump's wires to ground and B+ through a switch.
When you want to squirt, you flip the electric switch to energize the electric pump, then, BINGO she shoots nice healty STREAMS of washer fluid nicely timed to your wiper arm sweeps. If you have interest in this non-concours approach, you'll have to check around with older auto parts stores who handle Trico. Last 'kit' I saw had dust on it REAL deep and store owner was happy as a puppy to 'unload' it for $15.
Currently on a local club member's '61 driver. Works great and he loves it. Just won't get full factory concours credit on the judging field. BUT, he'd chased his tail for over 1/2 year going down the path you're on spending $100-200 before giving up.... -
Re: Windshield washer pump
This is the 'method' catalog houses like C-Central use to give you a 'correct' reproduction washer. They package a scrap yard pump assy (in dissected pieces) with replacement rivets and a repro plastic lid. Your 'mission' is to assemble and make work.
In a lot of cases this is a 'my hat's off to you' endeavor for a number of reasons:
(1) Scrap yard pump assy has typically been sitting dry for a
long time and internal gaskets (there are several that are
critical to proper operation of pump) are 'fryed'.
(2) System works off a nominal 7 psi vac source from the intake
manifold. Even with the vac storage tank and it's check valve
there's little design safety margin to spare. If all
components aren't up to snuff (low friction, Etc), you can
tear your hair out tweaking this/that only to see maybe a
'burble' of water exit the squirter nozzles....
(3) This is the Trico Coordinated washer system that was used
by MANY vehicle mfgrs (Ford, GM, Etc.). There are subtile
differences in basic 'pin out' of the pump head as well as
depth/length of the pump pick-up nozzle that vary with time
of mfgr and target vehicle. Be a real pity if your objective
was to do well in a Corvette factory concours, you fought
the good fight to make everything work and had a savvy set
of judges go over the car and take a major deduction for a
basic Ford pump in a Corvette....
Not trying to rain on your parade, just giving you the lay of the land for what lies ahead. As I remember, there's a very old back issue of Restorer (see search facilities on main web page) that gives pretty good troubleshooting details for this washer system. In my experience, those you've tackled the job of moving an early Chevy 'mayonaise jar' pump onto a later plastic lid and tried to get the system fully operational for Corvette concours, it's maybe a 1 in 10 shot at doing it right the first time without having to re-do and/or troubleshoot extensively.
If you're after a non-concours 'driver' result, back off! There's a superior approach....
In the mid/late '60's as virtually everyone abandoned vac actuated washer technology for electric/mechanical methods, Trico offered an upgrade kit. Consisted of grey plastic jar lid, a built-in electric pump, and a vac actuator nipple. You 'stuff' the lid assy on your existing washer jar, connect the vac line from the wiper motor's coordinator valve to the pump, and run the electric pump's wires to ground and B+ through a switch.
When you want to squirt, you flip the electric switch to energize the electric pump, then, BINGO she shoots nice healty STREAMS of washer fluid nicely timed to your wiper arm sweeps. If you have interest in this non-concours approach, you'll have to check around with older auto parts stores who handle Trico. Last 'kit' I saw had dust on it REAL deep and store owner was happy as a puppy to 'unload' it for $15.
Currently on a local club member's '61 driver. Works great and he loves it. Just won't get full factory concours credit on the judging field. BUT, he'd chased his tail for over 1/2 year going down the path you're on spending $100-200 before giving up....Comment
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