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  • Todd H 26112

    #16
    Re: New Discussion Board Format

    That is an excellent point.

    Out of curiosity what is the source of expense of doing the Driveline business? Is it in the printing and distribution of it by chance?

    I've got to point out that for I don't know how many years now most any newspaper classified goes BOTH online and in print. It doesn't have to be either/or. And anybody anywhere in the world can go look at the online version for free w/o paying 35 cents or whatever. Those pesky ads are still displayed too. Even the small time bi-weekly 16 page rag that covers my rural county does this.

    Once upon a time (back when I still had a 9600 bps modem) I exclusively dependend on Driveline for parts and such. I've largely stopped paying attention to the Driveline in much of any fashion some time ago given the myriad online resources now available and any good deals always seem to be snapped up before I get mine. I doubt I'm all by myself in this regard but maybe I am. For that matter the mail order catalogs I have from the usual suspects are stale and I don't fret it in most cases as the majors have good websites. Given all that - are advertisers depending on print ads in the Driveline still getting their money's worth compared to before? And will they continue as time, technology and trends march inexorably on? Sure NCRS can claim to potential print only advertisers that it has 24K circulation. But what if a sophisticated ad man asks about the penetration of such advertisements? Any argument regarding the status quo print version of Driveline in print only is increasingly an academic one I fear at this point. As I said, even the slickest and most professional (read expensive) parts trader site sponsored by NCRS were to roll out tomorrow - it's measurable click rates would likely be anemic at this point. I'm sure it won't be for quite a while as long as most niche market advertisers dont' concern themselves too much w/ actual penetration and response levels but someday the current and largely academic debate of the present may move to a purely financial one as to whether or not it's worth keeping or having Driveline at all. Currently it may have the dubious distinction of being one of the larger classified publications around that is NOT available online. But since it presently has no apparent direct competitors to threaten advertiser revenues I suspect it can and will sustain for the forseeable future as a print only.

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    • mike cobine

      #17
      WHOA! - Time Out!

      I only started this because the web site apparently burped and reset my preferences to see this site in frames.

      I didn't start this to be criticism of this web site, the web master, NCRS, or NCRS policies.

      1. Status quo of NCRS - why argue? It isn't any big surprise, is it? Originally it was the '53 to '62 Corvettes only, then they added the '63 to '67, and later the '68 to '82. How many are just now getting in with the C4? -- Well, that is the way NCRS plays the game. Get used to it, or find another game.

      2. Online Driveline. A lot fewer people had computers when thse decisions were made. Times have changed. If enough voice their opinions in LETTERS to the directors and officers, things will change. Write here until your keys break and nothing changes.

      3. Technical requirements. We may need more server space. Text based HTML doesn't take that much, but add pictures and such and space increases dramatically. It costs money. How much are we willing to pay for what has been free to us up to now?

      4. Ads in Driveline. It is a snap. Check http://www.cfrscca.org/Checker.pdf to see an example. The online doc can look EXACTLY like the printed doc. In fact, many big corporations no longer bother with paper documents for equipment anymore because they can drop a PDF on a CD or give you a web site so much easier, faster, AND keep it up to date. The savings in dollars are astronomical.

      However, I do not suggest cutting out print documents for this organization. You can virtually count all the NCRS people here, and I bet we don't have more than 100, 200 at tops on here. Cutting out print docs would isolate thousands of members, easily the majority.

      The Driveline is already produced electronically. I don't know if they still waste time printing storyboards for a professional print shop or they supply electronic files, but the matter is that they do create it all in an electronic file. That is easily converted to PDF and uploaded to a website.

      I do this all the time. I create books in FrameMaker, and upload HTML and PDF to the server and the world sees my work right then. No delays printing boards, no delays waiting for the printers, no delays mailing.

      Editing, reviews, and publishing is all electronic at major corporations now. I had an editor FedEx four docs to me at Nashville. PAPER. Twenty pounds of PAPER that I had to some how stuff into my bags to fly home. That is the first paper document I've had in almost three years!

      The catch is server space again. Check http://www.cfrscca.org/Checker.pdf again and see how slowly it loads. This organization has roughly 1500 members and doubtful that all are on at once. NCRS has a lot more and who knows how many non-members who view us from the outside. More server space and bandwidth. All it takes is money.

      5. Arguing here does absolutely nothing. Well, it does two things: it lets you blow off steam and it lets the world watch us fight.

      Doesn't accomplish much else. So why not go back to talking C O R V E T T E S ?




      Typical online magazine with text, ads, & pictures

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      • Terry D.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • May 31, 1987
        • 2690

        #18
        SEE WHAT YA STARTED MIKE--LOL *NM*

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        • Todd H 26112

          #19
          A picture is worth how many words?

          Great comments Mike on print - very well said.

          "but add pictures and such and space increases dramatically. It costs money. How much are we willing to pay for what has been free to us up to now?"

          As far as sharing photos inline in technical discussions - NO space is required - they only need to free up the allownace of HREF or IMG or whatever commands - photos can be hosted on your site and referenced in posts for viewing... I bet there must be thousands of online discussion boards and forums that allow this very practice. In fact at the moment this is the only discussion board I am aware of that does not allow the posting (not hosting) of images. And it particularly stands out in this regard considering the topic if discussion is restoring (or preserving?) old Corvettes.

          I do the same thing w/ my own ebay auctions - I host my images on my site and I better control their size and quality. You can go either way on ebay.

          "5. Arguing here does absolutely nothing."

          Actually I find it can be a very educational & thought provoking process if done in the spirit of a mature, adult debate.

          "Well, it does two things: it lets you blow off steam and it lets the world watch us fight."

          Yes to steam but I don't see any fighting going on - just mature logical discussion - argument pehaps in the sense of debate but I would not characterize it as "fighting" per se. I doubt the world is watching or cares - they are all long gone over to ebay or other sites scounging or hawking stuff

          I spend time collecting and learning about old things besides parts for my C. As part of that I spend time on some great sites out there catering those other hobbies and items. I see wonderful images shared in discussion boards that I learn from (a picture is worth how many words?). I share some pix of my own. I offer up stuff for sale or trade. In trading w/ folks online I often benefit from random acts of kindness and generosity. In turn I dispense random acts of generosity and kindness with items and such people are looking for (and that even includes vintage HTF Corvette parts). But no matter how much I might type and try to convey this - I doubt I could ever do it justice in communicating just how big the boat was that NCRS has been missing. Ever try to convince somebody to attend events or shows in person who has never been and get a blank empty stare? Well then you know what I mean. Look we'll never recover that lost potential in the wake of the ebay juggernaut but a separate bulletin board for trading and selling is a no brainer as is simple sharing of photos inline (not hosting) in technical discussion boards. A decent search capability that doesn't force you to go from archive to archive manually is another obvious one. A functional upgrade to a modern mainstream bulletin board system beyond a basic share-ware system is well worth considering too. When you stop to realize the size and level of organization and history and quality of NCRS as an entity and then consider its' relative backwater presence from an online perspective - I think it's worth considering making an effort to catch up to at least the grass roots Corvette communities found elsewhere on the web.

          ...random thoughts...

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          • Andrew Strauss

            #20
            Re: New Discussion Board Format

            Wow nice to see some debate on this topic.The real point I was trying to make was that the Driveline is a virtually useless tool,at least for me.I have learned almost all of what I know about vettes on this web site.The point being made about possible isolation of people who do not have computers is weak at best.If you dont have a computer and you have to wait for the driveline to show up to do your shopping what happens?I will answer my own question-you skim threw classifieds of already sold items-whats the point?It seems like waisted paper.If it were all online I would bet more people would be likely to come to this site,maybe even join so they can access this site-wich means more revenue!I for one will write a letter.The Driveline coming to my door is no longer a selling point for my renewal,wich i recieved today.

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            • John H.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • December 1, 1997
              • 16513

              #21
              Re: New Discussion Board Format

              We use this exact same software (which isn't shareware any more) for the Vetteheads.com Board, and photos can be posted (not hosted) with it on the VH Board - we do it every day. This software has the capability, it's just a matter of turning that capability on; the issue is most likely server capacity/bandwidth so posted photos don't slow the Board down, and NCRS probably isn't anxious to add more, since it costs more.

              John does a great job with what he has to work with, and we all have him to thank for keeping this thing up and running.

              I think the "people without computers" thing is becoming a tired excuse, however; my Chapter has 150 members, and as of today, only EIGHT don't have e-mail addresses. Other than the quarterly newsletter and our one annual business meeting, we communicate between the officers and with the membership almost exclusively via e-mail.

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              • Andrew Strauss

                #22
                Re: New Discussion Board Format

                I did not intend to insult the running of this site.I think it is a great site that could be expanded to be a very useable tool for all.

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                • Todd H 26112

                  #23
                  Re: New Discussion Board Format

                  That is correct - it is configurable within the software. Out of curiosity is this a single forum BBS software package or can multiple forums be configured in addition to "Technical" like say... "Buy/Sell/Trade" or "General" or "Off Topic" or whatever...?

                  "WebBBS is shareware. If you use it, please register it! The registration fee is only $50" - that's from their own website. It also appears in a few shareware download websites. I don't know of 'shareware' is the correct technical descriptive term but it's certainly the genre it exists and is marketed within. It's quite competent s/w for $50 and works as advertises but not the end all and lacks some of the the slicker features of it's bigger brothers. It'll get you from A to B but personally I would not characertize it as the Corvette of BBS packages by a long shot. But there's a lot of options these days in BBS packages and they've become amazingly feature rich, more security aware and lower administrative overhead than previous generation packages of even just a couple years ago.

                  But let me also say some high falutin' BBS can be pretty bad too - I do not care for s/w configured to count your post like a badge of honor - leads to endless 'me too' posts or for that matter lots of goofball icon and graphical sigs or tag lines - waste of bandwidth after a while IMHO. What is good w/ some is sophisticated search capabilities and true secure user ID login subsystems and user managed account settings. And of course image sharing

                  "...the issue is most likely server capacity/bandwidth so posted photos don't slow the Board down, and NCRS probably isn't anxious to add more, since it costs more."

                  If the images are referenced from 3rd party URLS like we are discussing I believe it has zero impact on speed or bandwidth from a perspective of ncrs.org. The datastream is directly between your browser and wherever the image is located at.

                  I *think* WebBBS even can be configured to add a std abbreviations like "NM" to indicate if a given post makes a reference to an image to warn a reader ahead of time before clicking in. I think. Most BBS s/w can be setup to put up a graphical icon that indicates the presence of an image reference anyway.

                  "John does a great job with what he has to work with, and we all have him to thank for keeping this thing up and running."

                  COULDN'T AGREE MORE! But it's the "what he has to work with" bit that's disappointing - considering A) 25,000 members B) paying $25-ish a year each ... and C) the sheer quantity and quality of posts on this single forum BBS - I'd like to think we could do just a tad better at this point given a quick surf thru of what else is available in the online vette community.

                  I like those examples of your chapter - very nice. THanks.

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                  • Craig S.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • June 30, 1997
                    • 2471

                    #24
                    Re: New Discussion Board Format

                    Todd - it can support multiple forums, there was a discussion board in the past. John's post says where we are....Craig

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                    • John W.
                      Administrator
                      • November 1, 1974
                      • 5079

                      #25
                      Re: New Discussion Board Format

                      John & All,

                      The photo inclusion option is now turned on. You will find a blank to enter the url of the picture that you want included at the bottom of the Post Message Form. Posts that include a photo will have the small camera graphic included in the subject line. Since this board was started back when I along with about everyone else had dial up access, I decided that photos would just bog down the view for everyone. Never really considered it a priority since that time. Now with many of us including ME finally having broadband access lets give it a try. Just keep in mind that this is a family board.

                      As far as the software that runs the board, I have been pretty happy with it over the years. I visit some other boards when time allows, but find the layouts of many of them to be less user friendly than this one (my Opinion). A lot of that has to do with familiarity and taste.

                      The most important element in any discussion board format is the content. I don't have much control over that, but I would put the content on this board up against any of the other boards that I have visited. That is because of all of you that contribute to it.

                      There are a lot of features that are available that I don't include in this board because I don't necessarily find any value in them. I could ad fender flares and side-pipes to my '62 also, but I choose not to. I am open to suggestions though. If there are features that you really like about other boards drop me a note with a link to the board and an explanation of what you like about it. I may be able to include it, and probably will unless I find a good reason not to.

                      The main feature that I would like to include is an automated password retrieval scheme like some sites have. I spend a great deal of time sending out passwords to people who don't make a note of what their password is.

                      John




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                      • Roy B.
                        Expired
                        • February 1, 1975
                        • 7044

                        #26
                        Re: New Discussion Board Format

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                        • Roy B.
                          Expired
                          • February 1, 1975
                          • 7044

                          #27
                          Re: New Format great John

                          OK that's not me but a vary ugly guy I know helping me repro bubble tops.
                          John I think this will help many in understanding what parts are real and what to look for . Thank you john from me and all menbers.

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                          • mike cobine

                            #28
                            Re: New Discussion Board Format

                            Two questions:

                            Is that a real Rt 66 sign, or the many later replacements?

                            Does the air in that Corvette keep up with the heat that comes in through that plastic top or is it a winter option only?

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                            • Roy B.
                              Expired
                              • February 1, 1975
                              • 7044

                              #29
                              Re: New Discussion Board Format mike

                              It's an old wood sign I borrowed off Hwy 66 in the 60's to remenber the 12 times I drove across 66 from Ill. to Ca. No wind gets in to the top and with the windows up no rain eather.It's UV=A and B protected, temp. is about %10 more then a factory Hard top, I also have them in shaded color. E-mail me for pic. and story.

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                              • John H.
                                Beyond Control Poster
                                • December 1, 1997
                                • 16513

                                #30
                                Re: New Discussion Board Format

                                Thanks, John - the photo-posting capability will be helpful to everyone!

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