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Re: C6 revealed in San Francisco????????
Tracy-----
I hope NOT! But, I really believe that this is the "real deal" C6. Also, it's identical to the white car seen previously in another photo with the k-rail backdrop. That car did not appear to me to be a computer-generated animation or someone's computer-enhanced idea of what the C6 might look like. This car is, apparently, identical to it. There's no doubt in my mind, at all, that this red one is a REAL car. To me, it seems very unlikley that GM would go to the bother of creating a car in this state of trim that was a "shil". Plus, it has all the styling cues that we've come to understand that the C6 would have.
In my opinion, and assuming that this is the real C6, this is going to be a big disappointment from a styling perspective. It's pretty much a C5 with some revisions based upon styling cues that have been very cyclical during the last 40 years of Corvettes. It's not a bad looking car, at all. But, it's not different enough, in my mind, to be considered a new GENERATION Corvette. If this much of a styling change justifies a new GENERATION monicker, then there should have been about 3 "GENERATIONS" recognized during the "C3" period of 68-82.
Of course, there may be significant changes "under the skin". However, I fully expect the basic suspension to be pretty much the same as C5 and the C5 suspension really wasn't all that much different than C4.
The stiffened body/frame architecture of the C5 is a lot different than the C4, but I would expect the architecture of this car to be similar to the C5 in that respect.
As far as Powertrain goes, I'm sure we're talking 4L-60E or TremecT-56, so that's the same as C5 and I'll bet that the differential set-up is the same. Of course, the new Gen 4 small block will be debuting. I haven't seen much on this powerplant as that's been kept pretty well under wraps. However, my expectation is that it's not going to be a radical departure from the Gen 3. Likely, electronics and fuel management will generate the power differences. We'll see, though. The 2006 ZO6 version of the Gen 4 will show some markedly different mechanical changes with a dual cam, in block configuration and 3 valve heads. That's exciting.
Recently, I saw an article in one of the magazines where 2 of the editors described how they had been taken on a "private tour" deep within the "catacombs" of the GM Tech Center and allowed to "feast their eyes" on the new C6. Although they couldn't reveal any details, they said something to the effect that if the car performed as well as it looked, it was going to be something really special. Well, if this is the car they saw, I don't know how they could have drawn that conclusion. Maybe they figured that if they didn't say something like that they'd never be taken on any "private tours" again.
Don't misunderstand, though. I'm not being overly critical of the car. It's a Corvette and I'm a Corvette-kind-of-guy. It does draw on previous styling cues and that's important to maintain the "bloodline" continuity. I do think, though, that some of it is "George Barris-like". From what I can see and infer, this sure doesn't seem like a new GENERATION Corvette, though. I think that's where the disappointment comes in since I had been led to believe that it was going to be. Plus, from all of the "hints" we got at the 50th Celebration in Nashville, I got the impression that this car was going to "knock your socks off". Mine are still on, just exactly where they were before I saw the car.In Appreciation of John Hinckley -
I can see this car appealing to
...Paul Newman and the other "retrofitters". They will be delighted. Should help to keep their business going.
...Ford dealers. They will be estatic. Wait until the new Mustang arrives in showrooms.
At least its consistent with most of GM's products these days - disappointing -IMHO.Comment
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Re: C6 revealed in San Francisco????????
Trust me! That is a REAL C6, but we have yet to see the complete front end. I think it's a knockout and would look very good parked next to my SWC.
Only about six weeks left until it's officially unvieled at the Detroit Auto Show.
BTW, the Autoweek article that accompanies the pictures on their web site refers to the engine as "venerable 5.7 liter".... The displacement will round to 6.0L and HP and torque numbers will be 400 or a little more. Expect curb weight to be about 100 pounds less than the current coupe,so the new C6 coupe will accelerate with the current Z06 and the C6 Z06 will have 500 HP and should be available at the beginning of the '06 model year.
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Joe,your shoes have to come off first but....
I have you agree with you. I too was expecting more from a visual standpoint. I hope they went further on the interior to make it different from the rest of the Chev line. MY .02.Comment
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Re: C6 revealed in San Francisco????????
This car has evolved BETTER than I thought it was going to turn out, from ALL the hoopla that we've seen before as to what it was suppose to look like! I'll wait to see the interior before passing judgement, as that was MY biggest disappointment with the C5, even though I own a '02 coupe currently.
Joe: I agree with your analysis as to this being a "new generation" car. As to the C3's long lived 15 years, THERE IS sub-categories ie: 1968-1972, 1973-1977 & 1978-1982. I always refer to these cars as such.Comment
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Re: C6 revealed in San Francisco????????
Sorry maybee I am getting old but if I seen it on the street I would assume its a C5.Ill have to see the front end on it.And I even see the different style side vents and the door handels are different But still it looks the same to meComment
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Re: C - 5½ !!! *NM*
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Re: Why so late on this board ----
Art A. commented on seeing this on other boards three days ago
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Why so late? too few redeeming qualities. If they'd have retro-bodied it to look like, or better yet, be identical to a 56-57, i might spring for one.mikeComment
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Geez,
I'm suprized someone else hadn't picked this up too, About halfway down on the Autoweek site is a link to another discussion board. ("Combusion Chamber" or something like that)
Apparently, this is where the pics were first exposed....Four days ago!!
Goes to show, we just don't get out enough. I was tipped off by a co-worker who drops in on the Auto Week site everyday at lunch. Naturally, my first action was to get an opinion from this board.
Duke sounds positive, and I believe him.
While the car kinda sorta looks like a reskinned C5, It is Sooooo much better than the "spy pics" I had seen so far, I'm very pleased with my first impression!!
My expectations were pretty low...But from what I see here, I love to drive one of these off into the sunset...
Full throttle of course!!
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Re: C6 revealed in San Francisco????????
You are right. I should not have been so quick to judge. I guess its my frustration showing through. I am begiining to consider the purchase of a new car. I am looking for something in the luxury sport sedan category, possibly a wagon. While the new Cadillac looks interesting, there is no way I would take a chance there. Even if the car is good, I do not believe its trade-in value will hold up compared to Lexus, Mercedes or Audi.
GM sent me this offer in the mail to test drive for 24 hours one of their cars. In came with a 750 dollar coupon. There was not one car that interested me - including Saab. Pretty sad. I don't know what the answer is.Comment
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i never bought a corvette of the 9 i have owned
for it looks or there would have been no reason for me to own a 59 and 62 also a 63,64,65 and 66 as they all looked the same but under the hood there was a big difference. same for the 97 99 and 02,i just moved up because of the improvments in each year. i should have a new C-6 as soon as my dealer gets one and i am hopeing for spring as dave hill said the rollout for the coupe would be april 2004. mrs clem and i will check it out in detroit in january. with GM going back to le manns this year they need a low C of D and with the C-5 at .29 the car could not change much.Comment
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Re: Why so late on this board ----
I think they were first posted on the Corvette Forum (C6 Discussion)- about three or four days ago. A few days earlier a photo set of a body dimension check armature were posted that had been discovered on a boat site. These have a front end view, but there is no hardware in the holes for the front headlamps.
I think when everyone sees the C6 in person, it will be easily distinguishable from a C5, especially the front end with exposed and faired headlamps. IMO the the C6 incorporates traditional Corvette styling features that date back to 1961 (the four tail lights) in a thoroughly modern package. Of particular note are the subtle front and rear fender peak lines that blend into the doors, which certainly hark back to the C2 and C3. I also like the return to a concave "Kamm" tail, which makes the rear look less bulky, but still very muscular. When you consider the overall design, it will probably be most reminiscent of the C3, but toned down quite a bit. Angle and lighting have a lot to do with how the individual styling features of a car are perceived by the beholder, and those of us near Detroit or LA in early/mid January will be able to see for ourselves how the C6 looks up close and personal.
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Re: Why so late on this board ----
Duke:
The ass end looks to me like a warmed over, early C4 tail, excepting the oval taillights. I'm glad that they took some of the bulk out of the the rear end. The C5 design always reminded me of a VERY out of shape middle aged person's rump!! Hints of those faired in headlights from the spy photos seem to invoke Jag XKE styling. I can't wait to see the nose........looks like the most radical design change is in the offing. Although I love the classic rear end treatment, I think that it is long overdue for a complete redesign.
The only mechanical change that needs to be done, is a canvas ripping V12 engine. Let's face it, the Corvette V8 in its new iteration (whatever that is), is a phenominal engine, but from a marketing viewpoint, it will never be in the same league as a Viper V12.
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