Here we go again! Seriously, does anyone know af any DOCUMENTED big-block-hood-on-small-block '67's? Pictures of the new '67 Vette still on the car carrier arriving at the dealership with a BB hood or,even better, an original owner who still owns the car are what I'm referring to as "documented" No notation was ever made on the build sheet about the hood substitution, either. I know about the time frame as stated in Noland Adams'Complete Corvette published several years back. It's just that any person's claim to having one is immediately greeted by howls of laughter from the "cognicenti" in the audience. What's the real deal here?
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Well I get the looks and cognicenti from members, My 67 is the Corvette that started all this 20 more years ago in Ben Oregon when I put it up for judging. By the way it got first flight even with the hood. But Noland took an interest in it and while back at the G.M plant useing my serial number #12345 Yes that's it, remember Space Balls? That is where he said he found that my Vett did come with the BB hood.What got his interest was the body inner fenders and hood construction.He wrote about useing my serial number and year for one of the Corvette Mags and NCRS .People have looked and I sent Pic.out and I DON"T know nothing about nothing. But I'm the second owner and have not ever took it to a NCRS meet again.At the beginning of NCRS I also took my 57 cascade green ,FI, Auto, P/W, P/T and was told G.M never made a Corvette like that, also never had it judged again, but took first flight.Had a Silver Gray 55 judged,OH yes again never made a gray 55 , but again took first flight.Now I just drive and park my original Copper 55 in the Sportsman parking lot( see why).Now don't think I don't like NCRS , I do I think to-day it's one of the best club in the USA.
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Don, The answer to your question is NO. To date there has never been a documented example. Every time this subject is mentioned, I make the challenge and never has anyone stepped forward. There have been a lot of hopes and dreams, but no real deals.
The premise of the story in itself is most unlikely. Just take a look at the supply of hoods in the picture, in Noland`s book. If there was anywhere close to that far ahead with the supply, there is no reason that a mold couldnt be repaired in time for production to be unaffected. Noland`s book is great, but it is not without its errors, and Noland gets a little confused on this issue. Lets examine what he says. 1)They were installed for three to five days. Now, wouldnt you think in three to five days enough cars would be produced that at least one documentable example would survive? 2) There is no sign of the lower hood support mount on the right inner fender panel. But wait, he sites Roy`s car which has holes where the bracket was on the right side. 3) Original hoods did not have a mounting plate on the right side. This is true, but we are moving the support to the left side. 4) Replacement hoods have a plate riveted behind a depressed area on the right side. Someone show me an example of this replacement hood. And if we are moving the support to the left, why was this needed.
The fact is, Noland makes no documentation or foot note to the whole story except to site Roy`s car, which does not conform to his own stated configuration. You would think that anything as note worthy as this deviation from the norm would require a simple documentation and a foot note. Some day one may surface, but it will more than likely be a special build for some executive or something.Comment
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group like the Tangier Shrine Corvette patrol - IF they had wanted to conform the outside appearance, thye might have had the "grease" to get it done. Someone more familiar with that group in 1967 might have to step in and comment. The one that I have seen, for instance DID have shielding on a non-radio car and it was on the build sheet! By the way, when I saw it, it had a BB hood but nothing about that appeared on the sticker and it HAD been in a front end accident.Comment
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Yes we could get big block hoods on small block cars. I don't have the invoices for the 67's but I do have them for the 69's It doesn't say aything about the big block hoods on the cars nor is there a charge. The radio suppression equipment was also put on non radio equipped cars. Option 9632UA. it did cost $26.35 list $19.00 invoice and $1.35 for D&H. We got lots of non radio cars with the shielding. Any other questions just ask. GLComment
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There is a picture of the 67 Shriner cars, and they are all SB. Even if they possibly could get them, show me a build sheet.Comment
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Wayne, I didn't mention that I have the original bill of sale for my '67 and it states under"dealer installed options and accessories" the words "427 hood exchange". Now all this does, at first impression, is to indicate that the hood was installed by the dealer for the customer before delivery and not at the factory. Upon further examination it begs the question: Why would the dealer install a new hood, paint it and be "stuck" with a painted small block hood, which he could not sell as new, to be returned to parts inventory and NOT charge the customer a dime for the whole exchange? If this notation was not to represent the dealer's action, why then, was it made on the bill of sale at all? Was it to "explain" to the buyer that the hood was exchanged by the factory? Admittedly, this is a reach. But,the car also has no hood support anchor plate on the right side inner fender. The holes are there to mount one, but have never had any rivets in them, the fiberglass is completely unmarred.The hood does not have any mounting plate riveted on the right side and does not have the "427" emblem holes drilled.
Anyway, this is just an exercise in futility, but it does present good "food for thought".Comment
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Wayne, et al-----
Whether or not big block hoods were ever used on small blocks will never be confirmed by any factory documentation which came with the cars. The use of the big block hood would not appear on a build sheet of the type that was used at that time. About the only "documentation" that I could imagine would exist would be, possibly, zone office GENERAL memorandums to dealers advising of the situation or the type of cryptic notation that Don mentioned that he found on the original paperwork with the car. I do agree with Don's assessment of the notation. I think that it was to "explain" why the car had the hood it did and, perhaps, it was generated because the dealer had actually paid attention to a zone ofice memorandum of the type I mentioned.
I cannot imagine that the dealer would have substituted a big block hood for a small block hood, painted it, and then not charge the customer for it on the dealer invoice. Could such a thing have been part of a negotiated deal? It's remotely possible, but I seriously doubt it. If that had been done I would have expected a notation to the effect of "no charge" so that it was clear that the customer was getting chargeable parts and service at no cost.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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Where is the picture? *NM*
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I didn't mean to mislead anybody about the 67 Shrine cars. They were all small block cars with small block hoods. I was refering to the 69's that had big block hoods. GLComment
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When I got the 67 about 27 years ago ,it had the original paint and the hood was the same as the body color. I din't ask about it then , just thought the owner added it. A year later when I had it repainted I added the stinger because it looked COOL.And back then I added a trailer hitch to all my Corvettes to carry swap meet parts as you can see.
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Joe, Dare I mention that the dealer also gave the original purchaser of my '67 a "bargaining discount' of $951.00? Let's assume that the dealer did install the hood for free. This, on top of the bargaining discount? I don't think so.Incidentally, the word was that the BB hoods were painted solid body color without a contrasting stinger color. Of course , the 427 numerals were not installed and it's unclear as to whether or not the hood scoop molding was installed.Comment
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I bet that boy is a bit taller these days. Probably has one of his own about that tall.
Glad to see someone else uses their motorcycle trailer for double duty.Comment
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I would think the scoop moldign would have to be installed. If I remember right on my '67, the fiberglass was rough in that area and would have taken some finishing work, probably more than what the piece was worth.Comment
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Don, Is your car AOS or St. Louis body?Comment
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