'65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

[Dave McDufford]

Below, if it works, is a picture of the engine pad from my 65 that I was told had the original engine. I am doing a body off on it now. It seems to have the broachmarks and be OK except for the tilting of the date stamp. Is this normal and do you think it get full points (or no deductions)?


Thanks.

Dave

[Chris H.]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Completely normal. Looks good to me.

[Loren L.]

Tilt is fine - I'd like to compare the "9" & "7" *NM*

[Joe R.]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Dave,

Your engine pad is stamped by the General and nobody else! Don't listen to anybody if they say different. Take it to the meet! Glad to see an original posted.

Regards,

JR

[Mike M.]

Re: Tilt is fine - I'd like to compare the "9" & "

Dear turkey: i can just see it now: we're judging pads at a regional or national and owner pulls out a copy of your post on pad evaluation,done a year or two previously thru this forum, which disagrees with your call on the judging field at todays meet.Hey buddy, how fast can you back-pedal?. This subject of evaluating pads over the net is an arena i think i'll lay low on.regards, mike (PS : i too don't have a problem with dave's vin and machine assembly data stampings in terms of tilt. what i won't evaluate in any photo are broach marks, although again, dave's marks don't hollar out Bogus. would prefer to have a look at the pad with my peepers.) mike

[Loren L.]

I'm reasonably sure that I would have a

question about the relative heights of the "9" & the "7" next year or in the next decade, unless I had just seen the same numbers appearing the same way. I don't believe my post says anything in the way of an opinion on the broach marks - probably because it is my belief that a great deal of the issues on broach marks depends on how much use the cutter has had. Your statement about comparison does shed some light on one facet of this Board - with the exception of Terry McManmon, there is HARDLY EVER an opinion expressed on this Board by a Team Leader.

[Dave McDufford]

Re: Tilt is fine - I'd like to compare the "9" & "

Mike,

I appreciate and understand your comments. This is my first Corvette and it has a history. I bought it two years ago to restore and began the restoration in March, 2002. In talking to prior owners back to the early 70's I know the car was at one point raced in California with a 402 and it had holes for a roll bar and straight undercar side pipe exhausts. The heads are small valve (1.94/1.60) 461's and the intake was GM aftermarket with a Chrysler 383 carburator and it had a solid Duntov cam. Before the engine was disassembled and the paint removed from the pad it looked like there were faint circular shadows (?) suggesting it was milled and restamped and I just figured one more thing wrong with the car.

Yesterday when I disassembled the engine and cleaned the pad off I was suprised to find what looked like original broach marks running the length of the block and my biggest concern was the tilting of the date stamp. There was no evidence of the circular shadows that showed in prior pictures.

The owner who raced it with the 402 in it said he put the original block back in it and that the block had not been milled. Sounds like he was telling the truth.

Thanks for you comments.

Dave

[Dave McDufford]

Re: I'm reasonably sure that I would have a

Loran,

Below is a higher resolution image of the vin stamp. For the sake of discussion (I agree not to print your comments off and take them to the judging field), what exactly is your conern?

Thanks.

Dave

[Joe C.]

It Seems To Me That No "Counterfeiter"...........

......would go to the trouble of duplicating broach marks on the surfaces that are covered by the heads and the intake manifold. I am no expert on broach marks, but an assembled engine can tell no tales (except to the trained eye), but a disassembled engine will tell a more complete story so that even an untrained eye can get a clear picture.
I would venture an educated guess, that if the entire surfaces of the decks are broached, then there should be no question of originality.
Expert opinions?

Joe

[Eugene B.]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Dave,
I'm not completely understanding the engine numbers.

No problem with the VIN sequence. The birthday calculator yields that the birthday of your '65 in June 23, 1965. I would expect the engine date to be a week or two prior.

The engine sequence that shows in the photo is F06T5HT. It is the T5 that throws me. Obviouly F = Flint, 06 = June, T5 should be the day in June (my '65 for example, is 0222 = Feb. 22), HT = 327, L79, 350, Holly 1x4BC, Hyd. Lifters & 4-Speed.

Don't know what to make of that T5? The fonts for the engine sequence don't look correct to me either. Perhaps others will take a second look. Good luck with your '65.

Regards,
Gene

[William C.]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Gene, I read the "T" as an "I" with the lower half cutoff by the tilt of the holder.

[Eugene B.]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Bill,
That bothers me, too. If the bottom is cut off, then the digit would appear like the letter I. In this set of stamps, I would expect a 1 to appear as 1 and not I.

I can't really show you what I mean because the font used on this site does not put a top and bottom horizontal line above the vertical line in the letter I.

Regards,
Gene

[Terry F.]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Dave, it looks right. The broach marks LOOK original. The Characters LOOK right. Actually, it is a very nice pad. Regards, Terry

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

If it's of help, I just looked at the pad on my 63 and F04I5RC. The build sheet has F0415RC. The pad also has the matching VIN.

I agree that the "I" is missing the bottom and looks like a "T".

Harry

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[Harry Sadlock]

Re: '65 Engine Pad - How will it judge?

Follow-up, the actual post I just did changed the cap. I. During the post it removed the horizontal line at the top and bottom of the letter.

Harry