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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43193

    Yenko Big Block

    Here's a good one. Check out eBay #2446787556. This is an auction for an old Yenko aluminum bare block. The winning bidder got this "prize" for only $3,750. You will note that this block is in need of a lot of repairs. All cylinders are cracked, there are cracks in other parts of the block, and the seller says that it might be "stretched" (whatever than means). Basically, all of this is repairable by a competent aluminum welder and machine shop. New sleeves need to be installed, anyway, so the cylinder cracks shouldn't be a major problem. To restore an original Yenko car (or create a fake), I suppose the cost and effort would be worth it. From the repairs I've described so far, this engine will never be "right", but it could be made serviceable.

    Things get better, though. The seller says that this block has the cooling passages filled, he thinks to "stabilize" the block. He's likely correct, too. This sort of thing is done to add rigidity to blocks used for 1/4 mile drag racing. Why anyone would use an aluminum block engine for 1/4 mile, all-out drag racing is beyond me, but, apparently, someone did it once-upon-a-time with this thing. In any event, the seller says that usually filling the cooling passages is done with cement but, in this case, it was done with some sort of "plaster material" so, he says, it's reversible. He says that, according to what someone told him, using MEK the material can be dissolved and the block returned to its original configuration. Without this repair, of course, the block would never be usable for a street engine; it would only be of use to someone that wanted to use it for 1/4 mile drag racing. Like I say, I can't imagine that anyone would pay big bucks for an aluminum block engine, let alone an old Yenko block, to use for 1/4 mile drag racing.

    I wish I could be a "fly on the wall" when the buyer of this block attempts to do 2 things:

    1) remove the aluminum block plugs which look to me like they've been sealed with epoxy or some other material;

    2) "dissolve" the "plaster material" out of the block using MEK.

    Yes, indeed; I wish I could be there to witness that "terrible sinking feeling" coming over this fellow.

    As far as I'm concerned, this block would not be worth $100, let alone $3,750. The risk, alone, is FAR too great to pay that kind of price for it.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Bryan L.
    Very Frequent User
    • June 30, 1998
    • 397

    #2
    Re: Yenko Big Block

    I think PT Barnum was right.

    BL

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    • Clem Z.
      Expired
      • January 1, 2006
      • 9427

      #3
      Re: Yenko Big Block

      it must be filled with epoxy if you need MEK to dissolve it. back years ago they used epoxy but it shrunk and did not do a good job of filling the bottom end,expanding grout does a better job. expanding grout is used to mount big machines into the factory floors because even cement shrinks. there were other aluminum blocks floating around back in the 70s and 80s made by jim dove in ohio. these were a piece of s--t made from recycled aluminum melted from old buss bodies.against my wishes and better judgement i built 468" dirt track engine from one of the "dove" blocks. when i primed the oil system on the engine stand oil came out thru the pores in the back of the block. fixed that with a thinwall sleeve in the oil galley drilling and lots of epoxy on the out side. this engine also "sweat" water,you would get a quart of water in the oil after a night of racing. i always plugged the oil filter bypass on race engines and this one would loose oil pressure as the water would "swell" the pores closed in the paper filter material closed. GM saved the day with the PF-35L filter because the media in that filter did not "swell" like the paper in the std oil filter did.

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      • John H.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • December 1, 1997
        • 16513

        #4
        Re: Yenko Big Block

        Clean it up, put a piece of glass on it, and call it a coffee table

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        • Steve Antonucci

          #5
          Re: Yenko Big Block

          Joe,

          The story gets even better than you described! I watched this auction up to
          the very end as I was amazed that more than a few bidders were that crazy over
          a Yenko block. I contacted the seller and he informed me that another bidder
          offered almost $1,000.00 over the winning bid to get the block for himself.
          Can you imagine! Let me ask one critical question of the group. I'm not a
          Yenko expert, but I know Camaro's pretty well. Did this aluminum block ever
          come in a Yenko conversion, or was it one of those famous "over the counter"
          type deals? You know, the "payment plan" this seller offered really touched
          a spark in some of the bidders, from the sellers point of view. I suspect this
          will happen more and more once others see the auction results! God help them.
          Steve

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          • Joe L.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • February 1, 1988
            • 43193

            #6
            Re: Yenko Big Block

            Steve----

            My knowledge of Camaros is limited. However, I think that this block was supplied in the Yenko conversions and it was also available over-the-counter (from Yenko). The thing is that, basically, the Yenko conversion is just that----a conversion. Conversions are an AFTERMARKET TYPE OF THING, regardless of who does them. I know that these Yenko cars sell for big bucks, but I'll never understand it. Just like all the other conversions. Conversions, whether done by Yenko, Baldwin-Motion, etc., are a non-PRODUCTION, aftermarket thing. There are all sorts of conversions out there-----most are done by owners somewhere along the way and, generally, they drastically REDUCE the value of a car. Somehow, if they were done by Yenko, Baldwin-Motion, etc., they seem to INCREASE the value of the car. I'll NEVER understand it.

            Anyone who would pay $3,750 (or more) for this block has to be out of their mind. If it was PERFECT it wouldn't be worth that much as far as I'm concerned but, admittedly, it might be to others for the reasons previously described. As it sits, it's a piece of junk with a HUGE CHANCE that it could never be made to be serviceable. It might have curiousity value or it might be the basis for some non-automotive use (such as the coffee table that John described), but $3,750 (or, more) seems like a ridiculous price to pay for such uses.
            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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            • William C.
              NCRS Past President
              • May 31, 1975
              • 6037

              #7
              Re: Yenko Big Block

              Actually, in '69, the year of ZL-1 Availability, the Yenko Camaros started out as a COPO package for the 427, but I had never heard of anything other than an cast iron version Yenko" being produced. Who knows? I owned an original series Chevy ZL-1 Block several years back, but got it reunited with an original ZL-1 car. This "Yenko" part has me stumped as to application. I know the paperwork for the Yenkos is known as to S/N and application, for a price from a fellow who bought the documentation, I believe from the estate.
              Bill Clupper #618

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              • Dick W.
                Former NCRS Director Region IV
                • June 30, 1985
                • 10483

                #8
                Re: Yenko Big Block

                One born every minute. Like Clup, I never heard of an aluminum Yenko. Besides the first generation blocks were junk. Developed cracks in oil galleries, sleeves "walked", etc. For a play toy, the later blocks were a lot better.
                Dick Whittington

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                • Steve Antonucci

                  #9
                  Re: Yenko Big Block

                  Joe, I agree with Bill. I'm of the opinion that Yenko cars were just the
                  COPO 9561 L/72 cast iron 427 package. I think these aluminum blocks came
                  later, for racing as you suggested. As you said so well, that is a great
                  deal of money for that "Yenko" name. I would love to get in contact with
                  the auction winner to better understand what he thinks he has there.
                  By the way, search on Yenko, Baldwin Motion, etc. on ebay and see what
                  comes-up. All of a sudden, anything 69 Camaro related has Yenko and
                  other "super car" namesakes on all over it.

                  Just more proof that people are drawn into the "appearance" of having
                  something special. Not actually having it mind you.

                  Oh yes, WAY TO GO U.S. TROOPS IN IRAQ !! Sadam looked great after capture
                  didn't he? Wasn't he calling for suicide attacks on US targets? When capture
                  was unavoidable, why didn't he blow himself up? Huuuummm?!

                  Could it be, I don't know - WHIMPY !!!

                  Steve

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                  • Clem Z.
                    Expired
                    • January 1, 2006
                    • 9427

                    #10
                    Re: Yenko Big Block

                    bill smith ran the yenko aluminum block program after don died. this was after the COPO cars so as far as i know there were no yenko camaros with aluminum blocks from yenko.

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                    • Joe L.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • February 1, 1988
                      • 43193

                      #11
                      Re: Yenko Big Block

                      Steve and Bill-----

                      My thinking that this sort of block was used in some Yenko cars, Camaro or otherwise, is based on a very vague recollection that I saw an engine with this same "Yenko" logo in an "original" Yenko car, somewhere. It might have been Chevy/Vettefest in Chicago some years back. My very vague recollection is that it was a Chevy II and not a Camaro. In any event, if this block was ever originally used in a Yenko car, then it had to be a conversion. GM never would have factory-installed such an engine, COPO or otherwise.

                      Also, if this block was never originally installed in a Yenko car, then that makes the situation all the worse and an even more idiotic purchase for the buyer. I would think that it would be near worthless in the condition that it's in if it was, originally, just an over-the-counter piece. Just the cost to make it barely functional, assuming that this can even be done, would exceed the cost to purchase a modern, racing-oriented aluminum big block like a Donovan or Rodex.
                      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                      • Joe L.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • February 1, 1988
                        • 43193

                        #12
                        Re: Yenko Big Block

                        Dick----

                        Yes, I agree. The early aluminum blocks, even the Chevrolet-produced ZL-1, were not very stout or reliable, at all. Even the current generation ZL-1, although greatly improved over the original, would not qualify as a "racing-oriented" piece, in my opinion. If my interests were associated, at all, with racing plans, I'd never have purchased a ZL-1 block. For high performance street use, it will be fine. An original ZL-1 block as sold during the 69-72 period, I wouldn't even really want to use for high performance street use. If someone offered me one of these blocks in good condition for $1,000, I'd turn it down without a moment's thought.
                        In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                        • Warren F.
                          Expired
                          • December 1, 1987
                          • 1516

                          #13
                          Re: Yenko Big Block

                          I was involved with '69 Camaros, fairly extensively. As I was told by those in the know, Don Yenko procured the rights to manufacture the ZL1 blocks after Chevrolet stopped. He made some minor changes, as well as add the logo to the block. None were ever installed during the '69 model run. I have friends with these blocks also.

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                          • William C.
                            NCRS Past President
                            • May 31, 1975
                            • 6037

                            #14
                            Re: Yenko Big Block

                            Indeed the "YENKO" logo blocks were essentially an aftermarket item. They were unrelated to the Yenko YSC vehicles.
                            Bill Clupper #618

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                            • Dick W.
                              Former NCRS Director Region IV
                              • June 30, 1985
                              • 10483

                              #15
                              Re: Yenko Big Block

                              Very true. I have fixed several internal oil leaks in the early blocks. They would crack in the main web oil galleries. You would take a 1/4 or 5/16 (sufferfing from a bad case of NCRS tonight) steel brake line, cut it to length, then drive it up into the gallery. Says alot for quality at the time. Probably a decent one race CanAm engine. But again the valve train was another story, surely to be asked about in another post. Could turn 302's in that era 9,000 plus (10,000 rpms if you were Smokey) and maybe trash a valve spring occassionally. Try to make a big block live above 7,200 for any length of time in that era.
                              Dick Whittington

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