Survivor criteria?

[chester]

what constutes "SURVIVOR STATUS?" Is it a unmolested virgin car? non-restored, low miles, original paint, what? The reason I ask is there are some sharp cars here in Ohio, some unrestored low miled. jc

[Roy S.]

Re: Survivor criteria?

Survivor criteria, the term survivor as referenced when speaking of a Bloomington Gold function means that the car is judged to be at least 50% original in three of four catagorties. Those being interior, exterior, mechanical and chassis. That is all 50% in three of four catagories. A Benchmark car must attain the historic survivor category before being judged for the Gold. The historic survivor is 50% original in four of four catgories. If it then is judged gold it is considered a Benchmark. These are all Bloomington terms and not NCRS terms or awards.

[Roy S.]

Re: Survivor criteria?

Survivor criteria, the term survivor as referenced when speaking of a Bloomington Gold function means that the car is judged to be at least 50% original in three of four catagorties. Those being interior, exterior, mechanical and chassis. That is all 50% in three of four catagories. A Benchmark car must attain the historic survivor category before being judged for the Gold. The historic survivor is 50% original in four of four catgories. If it then is judged gold it is considered a Benchmark. These are all Bloomington terms and not NCRS terms or awards.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Survivor criteria?

Agreed.

IMHO, the Bloomington "Survivor" Award is much easier to obtain than various levels of the Bowtie award. Generally it is also much more expensive. The Bloomington judges have been told that if they can't make a decision on the car in 5 minutes, then they are taking too long. Thus, your $250 buys a 5 min judgement of your car.

Bowtie will give you a much more thorough appraisal of your car, and will award you "Stars" based on various elements of the car.

Chester, I, too, have seen and know of several Survivor quality cars, but few want to pay $250 for what they already know, that is that their car is original. I wish that the Bowtie process was more accessible, as it is only done at select Regional and National NCRS meets.

Patrick

[Patrick H.]

Re: Survivor criteria?

Agreed.

IMHO, the Bloomington "Survivor" Award is much easier to obtain than various levels of the Bowtie award. Generally it is also much more expensive. The Bloomington judges have been told that if they can't make a decision on the car in 5 minutes, then they are taking too long. Thus, your $250 buys a 5 min judgement of your car.

Bowtie will give you a much more thorough appraisal of your car, and will award you "Stars" based on various elements of the car.

Chester, I, too, have seen and know of several Survivor quality cars, but few want to pay $250 for what they already know, that is that their car is original. I wish that the Bowtie process was more accessible, as it is only done at select Regional and National NCRS meets.

Patrick

[Vinnie P.]

[Vinnie P.]

[Ron]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Is it theoretically possible for a car to have been painstakenly restored "correctly", driven for 30K miles, well maintained, and then obtain a Bow tie or Duntov award? It seems to me that if a car would have gotten a Top Flight, but never judged, it would qualify and be difficult to tell it was once restored. Ron

[Ron]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Is it theoretically possible for a car to have been painstakenly restored "correctly", driven for 30K miles, well maintained, and then obtain a Bow tie or Duntov award? It seems to me that if a car would have gotten a Top Flight, but never judged, it would qualify and be difficult to tell it was once restored. Ron

[Roberto L.]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Hello Ron, although I'm outside the judging circuit I'd say that a restored car is different to an original one, even after some use. There are a lot of details in finish, configuration and the like that shows a bit different. The most expert friends here in the board could detect it easily. Just a comment. All my best from Argentina Roberto NCRS #30019 RMC

[Roberto L.]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Hello Ron, although I'm outside the judging circuit I'd say that a restored car is different to an original one, even after some use. There are a lot of details in finish, configuration and the like that shows a bit different. The most expert friends here in the board could detect it easily. Just a comment. All my best from Argentina Roberto NCRS #30019 RMC

[Patrick H.]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Vinnie,

Thanks for the clarification. It still presents very little opportunity to recognize these fine cars, IMHO.

Patrick

[Patrick H.]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Vinnie,

Thanks for the clarification. It still presents very little opportunity to recognize these fine cars, IMHO.

Patrick

[chester]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Big thanks to all, I just have that money burning in my pocket for another vette. And have seen some low miled cars around. Do the miles have any thing to do with it or just the ideaand facts that it is complete original. jc

[chester]

Re: Clarification on when/where Bowtie Judging

Big thanks to all, I just have that money burning in my pocket for another vette. And have seen some low miled cars around. Do the miles have any thing to do with it or just the ideaand facts that it is complete original. jc