C1 Convertible Top Installation

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  • Allen W.
    Expired
    • October 1, 2000
    • 106

    #1

    C1 Convertible Top Installation

    I have been assisting my father over my holiday break for the past couple of days with the installation of a convertible top on his newly acquired ’56 as it had no top when purchased. As you can see in the attached photographs, we are almost to the point of installing the rear straps and attaching the vinyl top. Before proceeding to do so, I persuaded my father to let me work on the window to top-frame and the windshield to top-frame fit as I felt that they were not optimum. After a couple of days I have improved the fit but I am still not completely satisfied and somewhat frustrated. Any feedback on the following points would be most appreciated:

    1. How well should the side windows fit to the top-frame? I am fairly satisfied with the fit of the passenger side window to the top-frame; however I have some more work to do before I am satisfied with the fit of the driver’s side window to the top-frame. So far, the adjustment parameters associated with the side windows that I have been varying have been the two “bumpers” located at the top of the doors and the window tilt adjustment as built into the window track mechanism. The A-pillar has been adjusted for fit with the front windshield.
    In my opinion the bumper stops don’t work so well as a sufficient amount of pressure exerted on the window regulator can pop the window’s bumper seat past the bumper.
    In addition to the window bumper adjustments I have adjusted the mounting position of the top-frame pivot. Currently those adjustments are to their extreme positions so tomorrow I will attempt to slot the top-frame pivot mount holes to close the gap between the rear of the driver’s window to the frame top. The three holes in the frame top connected the front most part of the side frame to the front transverse member have been slotted to their maximum on both the driver and passenger sides.

    2. What are your opinions on the dimension between the frame-top and the windshield as seen in the third photograph? Currently, I estimate it to be about 0.5 to 0.625 inches. My gut feeling is that it is too large, but we have no comparisons to verify this assumption. The latch adjustment is at its minimum. The top pins are 0.875 inches long (from bottom to the frame surface) and were supplied with the top-frame.

    3. Is this an extreme amount of effort to be putting into the installation of a convertible top that will likely leak and produce wind noise even at its optimum? After all we are using a reproduction frame fitted to what is essentially a hand-made chassis suggesting that compromises on fit might have to be made.

    Any advice that you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Additionally, any detailed photographs from your vehicles of these areas would be valued for comparison purposes.

    Sincerely,
    Matthew




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  • Ed Jennings

    #2
    Re: C1 Convertible Top Installation

    If you have access to a hardtop, either your own or borrowed, install it and check the window/door fit before further adjustments with the soft top.

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    • Matthew Wiles

      #3
      Re: C1 Convertible Top Installation

      Ed,

      We do not have access to a hardtop so we are unable to use your verification technique. Thank you for your suggestion.
      Matthew

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      • James F.
        Very Frequent User
        • December 1, 1985
        • 596

        #4
        Re: C1 Convertible Top Installation

        Allen & Matthew,
        Since you are working with a reproduction frame and an essentially hand made chassis, there are more variables than normal that must be considered (not a good start). The factory first fitted the hard top to the body and windows to the hardtop weatherstrip. Once accomplished, they fitted the soft top to the windows. A hardtop in not in the equasion for you. Therefore check the angle of the windshield posts because the door posts must fit (and seal) aganst the posts AND the rolled up windows should fit "lightly" against the length of door post "U" channel. Correct center to center distance betweem the hole in the short body moulding between the deck and door and the windshield upper frame top receiver hole is 31 5/8". Once achieved, roll the window up until it sets "lightly" in the door post frame 'U" channel. Now the window is in its correct "up" position. I have never used the bumper stops to make major adjustments in window positons. I don't believe they were intended for this. With the window in the up position, in order to get a "more or less"even gap between the front and rear side frames as you know is a matter of adjusting the mounting plates to the body plates. The long "grasshopper" frame position is critical (critical as in frustrating) to obtaining a "more or less" even gap across the top of the window. I would not be afraid of elongating slots in a repro frame. On my frame, which was original to the '56, I found it necessary to raise the rear bow pivot points .4" in order to get a good rear deck fit. I don't get a clear understanding of Q #2. My header bar without the rubber w/s yet installed fit nicely across the entire length of the windshield channel. Almost like w/s was not reqired. Q#3 Know the answer to this one! The answer is "No." This beautiful body style is always worthy of the effort! Yes, always carry a towel across your lap in case of rain. Regards,

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        • Theodore K.
          Expired
          • December 1, 1985
          • 119

          #5
          Re: C1 Convertible Top Installation

          When I had a new top put on my 57 a couple of years ago (by a guy that does street rod interiors, restorations, etc) I could not the top to latch down to save me. Had been fine before. Turned out he had installed the winshield to top weatherstrip backwards. Turned it around and it was fine. If you have a problem in that regard look at the strip. The instructions are not clear.
          Ted

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          • Allen W.
            Expired
            • October 1, 2000
            • 106

            #6
            Re: C1 Convertible Top Installation

            Theodore - Thanks for your header weatherstrip observation. I have already had it backwards a week or so ago and realized I was wrong. I have since mentaly made that correction. The frame currently does not have the weatherstrip installed. My son was observing that the gap between the top header and winshield top moulding is not uniform and is looking for direction is that OK or not. Posting from Jim indicates that it should be uniform? Other comments?

            The pictures show that the side window weatherstrip is installed but where the chrome sidewindow rests against the rubber weatherstrip is not uniform especially in the corner. With the window chrome being curved slightly my son is seeking guidance that the fit is OK. It might be a little hard to see that kind of detail with the picture given.
            Other comments are welcomed.
            Allen

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