can anybody tell me if 65 knock offs are dated? Also what tire is close to right for a 65. I have a set of older repo tires made by goodyear. The tires are power cusion gold lines. Any info will be appreciated.
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Re: 65 knock offs: Getting a Start
Ronnie,
After some research I found this to be a little more complicated than I thought. But I can give you some info to get started:
From the Nolan Adams book, page 238, states that the 64 KH knock-offs were rubber stamped with a date. Page 299 makes no reference of a date stamp for 65, and page 368 references a date stamp for 66 made with a metal die.
The info I have fits right in the middle. I own an unrestored, original set of (5) 1966 KH knock-offs with "matching" dates. I know the totaled-out 66 they came from, as well as the 2nd owner (where I got them). All (5) were manufactured in 1965 for 1966 production and all are date stamped with a metal die: B6 (space) xx-(day) (space) 65, (June xx, 1965).
I would consider two things:
1) That any original 64-65 production KH knock-off that were not stamped with a metal die would have had, as 1964 production did, a rubber stamped date. That would indicate a running change somewhere in the 1965 production.
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2) That metal die date stamps were used, beginning in 1965, for 1966 production only.
The answer to your question will require more information. Hope this hasn't confused things. Tom #24014 -
Re: 65 knock offs: Getting a Start
Ronnie,
After some research I found this to be a little more complicated than I thought. But I can give you some info to get started:
From the Nolan Adams book, page 238, states that the 64 KH knock-offs were rubber stamped with a date. Page 299 makes no reference of a date stamp for 65, and page 368 references a date stamp for 66 made with a metal die.
The info I have fits right in the middle. I own an unrestored, original set of (5) 1966 KH knock-offs with "matching" dates. I know the totaled-out 66 they came from, as well as the 2nd owner (where I got them). All (5) were manufactured in 1965 for 1966 production and all are date stamped with a metal die: B6 (space) xx-(day) (space) 65, (June xx, 1965).
I would consider two things:
1) That any original 64-65 production KH knock-off that were not stamped with a metal die would have had, as 1964 production did, a rubber stamped date. That would indicate a running change somewhere in the 1965 production.
-- OR --
2) That metal die date stamps were used, beginning in 1965, for 1966 production only.
The answer to your question will require more information. Hope this hasn't confused things. Tom #24014Comment
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Add-on to knowledge/???
My uncle's 396 is St. Louis 4/22 build. KH KO's are '64 style with long oblitherated rubber stamps (NOT wacked). Next, look at Adams' '65 text on KO. Find a cryptic line that reads something like this,
"In '65 the wheels were P/N XXXXXXX [same as '64] then, on AIM date Jan XX, 1965, they changed to P/N YYYYYYY."
GM didn't change P/N's without a good reason -- usually form/fit/function difference(s). Along the road to MOE (Mark Of Excellence) some questioned the hue of the spoke paint on my wheels. Catch-22, they got taken off the car and set aside with 2500 miles on 'em and if you look close at rims and spokes you can find nicks & chips (untouched).
Why taken off and set aside? Car was left parked on street one night when 'bandits' jacked 'er up and made off with one KO before being interrupted. Cost of service replacement was 'sticker shock' to the old uncle who found he could by a full set of steel bolt ons, wheel covers AND tires for the cost of one across the counter KH replacement.
So, go figure what the difference is/was between early/late '65 KH wheels. Then, wrestle with what's 'early' and what's 'late'.... Got me here. I generally give full credit for stamped date KH's after the Jan cut over and give the benefit of the doubt to the owner for rubber stamped or wacked dating thereafter. But, I'm just one guy with an opinion as well as questions....Comment
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Add-on to knowledge/???
My uncle's 396 is St. Louis 4/22 build. KH KO's are '64 style with long oblitherated rubber stamps (NOT wacked). Next, look at Adams' '65 text on KO. Find a cryptic line that reads something like this,
"In '65 the wheels were P/N XXXXXXX [same as '64] then, on AIM date Jan XX, 1965, they changed to P/N YYYYYYY."
GM didn't change P/N's without a good reason -- usually form/fit/function difference(s). Along the road to MOE (Mark Of Excellence) some questioned the hue of the spoke paint on my wheels. Catch-22, they got taken off the car and set aside with 2500 miles on 'em and if you look close at rims and spokes you can find nicks & chips (untouched).
Why taken off and set aside? Car was left parked on street one night when 'bandits' jacked 'er up and made off with one KO before being interrupted. Cost of service replacement was 'sticker shock' to the old uncle who found he could by a full set of steel bolt ons, wheel covers AND tires for the cost of one across the counter KH replacement.
So, go figure what the difference is/was between early/late '65 KH wheels. Then, wrestle with what's 'early' and what's 'late'.... Got me here. I generally give full credit for stamped date KH's after the Jan cut over and give the benefit of the doubt to the owner for rubber stamped or wacked dating thereafter. But, I'm just one guy with an opinion as well as questions....Comment
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