Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

[Loren]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Wayne:

Went out and looked at 23561 (AO Smith); found "8329" on the vertical surface of the bar under the cluster - no idea what it means. Perhaps an internal control for AO Smith? Could your "40" have been some sort of inspector's number? Good question, though. Loren

[Loren]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Wayne:

Went out and looked at 23561 (AO Smith); found "8329" on the vertical surface of the bar under the cluster - no idea what it means. Perhaps an internal control for AO Smith? Could your "40" have been some sort of inspector's number? Good question, though. Loren

[Wayne M.]

Re: Crayon/Credibility/Job #

Tom, Jack --- I agree; just when we think we've figured out what St.Louis/Ionia were doing, up pops another exception (hopefully not the rule). Of course you can probably guess where this is leading; I'll now have to pull the instr. panel on my 396 to see if there's anything written on the cross-bar -- Oh well, had to fix the odometer eventually. This whole number business began when I removed the hood release cable on my coupe to lube the wire and ended up with the dash/steering column/radio/speaker/clock/glove box/console out.

A bit of trivia that underlines our discussion: the above mentioned future dash pull is on convertible #23564 (S-body #7755, L30 date), and the crayon job # is 204. Now a coupe 13 VIN #'s earlier on the final assembly line (S-4082, L30) has job # 216, and "last Job" written on the body, under the jute.

[Wayne M.]

Re: Crayon/Credibility/Job #

Tom, Jack --- I agree; just when we think we've figured out what St.Louis/Ionia were doing, up pops another exception (hopefully not the rule). Of course you can probably guess where this is leading; I'll now have to pull the instr. panel on my 396 to see if there's anything written on the cross-bar -- Oh well, had to fix the odometer eventually. This whole number business began when I removed the hood release cable on my coupe to lube the wire and ended up with the dash/steering column/radio/speaker/clock/glove box/console out.

A bit of trivia that underlines our discussion: the above mentioned future dash pull is on convertible #23564 (S-body #7755, L30 date), and the crayon job # is 204. Now a coupe 13 VIN #'s earlier on the final assembly line (S-4082, L30) has job # 216, and "last Job" written on the body, under the jute.

[Wayne M.]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Hi Loren --- Yes, the "40" could have been an inspection mark/code; I was also thinking that it might have been the 40th birdcage built after the resumption of work following the strike. As the trim tag was put on Nov 6th, maybe St.Louis went back to work a few days earlier.

Your extremely late A-body brace crayon # 8329 is interesting, insofar as it confirms that (as Jack would say) Ionia is "marching to a different drummer" with this marking system (if it could be classified as such). As well, the # is 373 LESS than the "8702" shown in the photo on page 40 of Noland's Vol 2, which also claims to be on a '65 convertible A-body. Hmmmm..... maybe they started at 9999 and counted down.

[Wayne M.]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Hi Loren --- Yes, the "40" could have been an inspection mark/code; I was also thinking that it might have been the 40th birdcage built after the resumption of work following the strike. As the trim tag was put on Nov 6th, maybe St.Louis went back to work a few days earlier.

Your extremely late A-body brace crayon # 8329 is interesting, insofar as it confirms that (as Jack would say) Ionia is "marching to a different drummer" with this marking system (if it could be classified as such). As well, the # is 373 LESS than the "8702" shown in the photo on page 40 of Noland's Vol 2, which also claims to be on a '65 convertible A-body. Hmmmm..... maybe they started at 9999 and counted down.

[curt worden]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

While restoring my '65 36.5 gallon car, I noticed the crayon marking on top of the crossbrace. The number was 36. An odd coincidence or on purpose ? Curt Worden

[curt worden]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

While restoring my '65 36.5 gallon car, I noticed the crayon marking on top of the crossbrace. The number was 36. An odd coincidence or on purpose ? Curt Worden

[Wayne M.]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Hi Curt --- (Nice to see you on board) Sure sounds like the "36" is not coincidental, at least on your car. Heck, maybe my "40" means that my N03 holds 4 more gallons than yours (heh heh). Also interesting that it's 2 digits and on TOP of the bracket. Have you checked your doors for a job # ? Most tankers I've seen have only a crayoned "NO3" in place of a job # at the other 3 traditional locations (footwell - engine side, top of trans tunnel - behind radio, rear vertical bulkhead - tailpipe side). Have you had the dash out on your other ('66) N03 yet ?

[Wayne M.]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Hi Curt --- (Nice to see you on board) Sure sounds like the "36" is not coincidental, at least on your car. Heck, maybe my "40" means that my N03 holds 4 more gallons than yours (heh heh). Also interesting that it's 2 digits and on TOP of the bracket. Have you checked your doors for a job # ? Most tankers I've seen have only a crayoned "NO3" in place of a job # at the other 3 traditional locations (footwell - engine side, top of trans tunnel - behind radio, rear vertical bulkhead - tailpipe side). Have you had the dash out on your other ('66) N03 yet ?

[Curt Worden]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Hi Wayne, thank you for the welcome.

The job number of my '65 tank car is 446. Both NO3 and 446 are in white crayon on the rear bulkhead [exterior side]. The "N" is is written backwards as if the person was dyslexic. But I think there could be a better explanation. If the floor panels sat stacked upsidedown waiting for the call into production, then crayoned and pulled, it is conceivable the worker never got the hang of making an upsidedown "N" given the frequency of the task. There is only the job number 446 on the doors but written in black crayon. Behind the radio, there is NO3 in white crayon. On the firewall [engine side lower right] there is both the 446 and NO3 again in white crayon.

On my '66 big tank all the markings are the same except the actual job number. But I have not removed the instrument panel [cluster] to see the bridcage cross bar number... yet. I like to keep the world waiting for vital information ;)

Curt Worden

[Curt Worden]

Re: Midyear Birdcage Crayon Number

Hi Wayne, thank you for the welcome.

The job number of my '65 tank car is 446. Both NO3 and 446 are in white crayon on the rear bulkhead [exterior side]. The "N" is is written backwards as if the person was dyslexic. But I think there could be a better explanation. If the floor panels sat stacked upsidedown waiting for the call into production, then crayoned and pulled, it is conceivable the worker never got the hang of making an upsidedown "N" given the frequency of the task. There is only the job number 446 on the doors but written in black crayon. Behind the radio, there is NO3 in white crayon. On the firewall [engine side lower right] there is both the 446 and NO3 again in white crayon.

On my '66 big tank all the markings are the same except the actual job number. But I have not removed the instrument panel [cluster] to see the bridcage cross bar number... yet. I like to keep the world waiting for vital information ;)

Curt Worden

[Patrick H.]

Re: Lending Credibility

Tom,

One thing I didn't see mentioned by you:

You're sure that the door you had on your '66, the one with a different job number and ready for power windows, actually left St. Louis on your car? A somewhat reasonable explanation is that it had been replaced as some time in its past.

Just wondering...

Patrick

[Patrick H.]

Re: Lending Credibility

Tom,

One thing I didn't see mentioned by you:

You're sure that the door you had on your '66, the one with a different job number and ready for power windows, actually left St. Louis on your car? A somewhat reasonable explanation is that it had been replaced as some time in its past.

Just wondering...

Patrick

[Wayne M.]

Re: Lending Credibility

Tom --- One way (sort of) to verify what Patrick has asked is to check both vent and side window glass date codes on that door, as well as any difference in tint from that found on the rest of the car's glass.