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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43193

    396/427 Crankshafts

    Several days ago I received an internet advertisement that I thought was too good to be true. The item offered was genuine GM forging number 3856223 crankshafts for a "blowout" price of $99.95 INCLUDING shipping (no small matter for something like a big block crankshaft). I would have dismissed the ad, entirely, except that the seller was Howards Cams and Racing Components. These folks have been in business for a long time and have a good reputation.

    So, I decided to take whatever chance there was and I ordered THREE of the things. Well, they arrived today and I had a chance to carefully inspect one of them. From what I can see, it is exactly what it's supposed to be. It carries the GM forging #3856223 and it looks to be a GM piece in every way. I'm not sure if the journals are tuft-trided, or not, though. Also, it would be illegal for anyone to put the GM forging number on a non-GM piece. Whatever it is, believe me, it's worth $99.95. Plus, this crankshaft (or any other 396/427 crankshaft) are no longer available from GM.

    The GM forging #3856223 crankshaft was used on 1965 Corvettes with L-78 as well as most other special high performance 396 and 402 engines of the 65-70 period. It was never used by GM on a 427 engine as it is counterweighted and balanced for 396 engines. However, it can be used on any 427 by simply re-balancing. I would NEVER assemble an engine without having the reciprocating assembly custom balanced, anyway, so for all practical purposes, this crankshaft is either a 396 OR 427 crankshaft. That's how Howard's advertises it, too.

    This 1053 steel, OEM-type crankshaft might not be the thing to use for a racing engine. However, it is WAY strong enough for ANY street engine, including a significantly modified and "uprated" one. So, I've added these to my collection in case I ever build up any more big blocks.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15610

    #2
    Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

    Joe - I take it these are fully finished cranks (for 396), and not raw or semi finished forgings(?).

    Unbelieveable price! They must have bought a carload 30 years ago and finally decided to unload them!

    If I could find a similar SHP SB forged crank I'd order one as a "coffee table accouterment".

    Duke

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43193

      #3
      Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

      Duke-----

      These crankshafts are completely machined and finished. I don't think that they are real old, though. Here's why:

      GM forged crankshafts of old had the forging numbers "debossed" on the edge of one of the counterweights. In the last 10 years, or so, this has changed to an "embossed" number. The crankshaft that I purchased from GM for my "ZL-1" had the number "embossed" in exactly the same manner as these crankshafts.

      GM has not produced, in house, a raw crankshaft forging for many years. The reason is that GM no longer has ANY forging capability at ANY of its plants. GM's primary, if not only, forging operation was the Tonawanda Forge Plant. Once-upon-a-time this was operated by Chevrolet. After Chevrolet got out of the engine building and other manufacturing business in favor of "corporate" manufacturing, the plant was transferred to Saginaw Division. Then, about 10 years ago, it was included as part of a "package" manufacturing plants spun off to American Axle and Manufacturing (AAM).

      So, these days, all GM forged pieces are "outsourced" (to AAM and others). GM usually does the finished machining in-house. However, as far as I know, it would be illegal for anyone that manufactures the forgings for GM to sell through other than GM channels the forgings with the GM number on them. Most likely, they could remove the number and then otherwise sell the forgings (if the forging dies didn't belong to GM or GM permitted them to do so).
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Bill W.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • March 1, 1980
        • 2000

        #4
        Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

        Was it cross drilled ?

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • February 1, 1988
          • 43193

          #5
          Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

          Bill-----

          Yes, cross-drilled and chamfered.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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          • Rex T.
            Very Frequent User
            • December 1, 1984
            • 455

            #6
            Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

            Hi Joe,

            Any way you could put me in touch with this supplier, or is that proprietary information?
            Thanks,
            Rex

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43193

              #7
              Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

              Rex-----

              Believe me, their number and address is no secret as they advertise in many magazines. The phone number is (920) 223-5228. I don't think that they have a web site, though.
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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              • Clem Z.
                Expired
                • January 1, 2006
                • 9427

                #8
                Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

                if howard does not have any more try www.competitionproducts.com as they also were having a sale several months ago on 3856223 cranks.

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                • Craig S.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • June 30, 1997
                  • 2471

                  #9
                  Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

                  Joe - I bought some valves for my 66 427 L72 engine last year. I had a 7115 forged crank ant the time, but they had a price of $249 plus shipping back then. I spoke at length about the 6223 cranks as I saw in their website. They had purchased a warehouse full and had over 2000 in stock then, is sounds like they are having trouble moving them. Here is a web link:




                  Howards Cams - 6223 blowout sale

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                  • Craig S.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • June 30, 1997
                    • 2471

                    #10
                    Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

                    For that price, I just ordered one too, I don't need it now, but you can't go wrong at that price!......Craig

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                    • Craig S.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • June 30, 1997
                      • 2471

                      #11
                      Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

                      Clem - check my link above to Howards.....I just ordered one for a spare just in case. I am building up my 66 L72 with a 7115, but a new 6223 sitting around isn't a bad thing. I will see if they kick it back, but Howards and Competition Products are sister companies in the same building, and last year they had over 2000 of these cranks they got in a warehouse buyout somewhere according the the guy I spoke with. At that time, they were $249 plus about 45 shipping to AZ which I thought was still a good deal, but I had the 7115 so I passed and just bought their best valves. However, at $99.95 including shipping, I figure the crank is only about $65 or so, you can never go wrong with that....Craig

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                      • Craig S.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • June 30, 1997
                        • 2471

                        #12
                        Howards Cams Link to 6223 blowout sale *NM*

                        Howards Cams - 6223 blowout sale

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                        • Craig S.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • June 30, 1997
                          • 2471

                          #13
                          Competiton Products Website has them

                          too, but they are still $249.95 there........go figure. I am sure they are pulling them out of the same stockroom in the back for Howards......Craig




                          Competition Products Link to the same crank

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                          • Clem Z.
                            Expired
                            • January 1, 2006
                            • 9427

                            #14
                            Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

                            most people building BBC now want the 4" stroke crank or longer that is why they are having trouble selling the 3.76"

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                            • Joe L.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • February 1, 1988
                              • 43193

                              #15
                              Re: 396/427 Crankshafts

                              clem-----

                              Yup, that's what they're facing with these. You won't find a new 4" stroke big block forged crank anywhere for $99.95 OR ANYWHERE CLOSE to that price. If anyone knows a place, though, I'll order a LOT more than 3.
                              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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