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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 42936

    #1

    Which crank to use ?

    Gary----

    Well, you've just discovered the problem which is causing your "wandering" condition. The symtoms that you describe are CLASSIC symptoms of stub axle end wear. The stub axles are the short axle shaft/yokes which insert into either side of the differential housing. These connect to the half shaft via the inner universal joint.

    The stub axle inner end rides against the differential center pin. Both the stub axle ends and the differential pin are hardened to a very high Rockwell hardness to prevent wear. But wear inevitably occurs. The stub axle end always loses the battle with the differential center pin and wears down. When excessively worn, it wears down to the c-clip retaining ring groove and the c-clip falls out creating a significant SAFETY problem.

    To further test for this condition you will need to remove the half shafts from the car. Then, grasp the end of each stub axle yoke and attempt to move it in and out. If either move even a slightly perceptible amount, one or both need to be replaced. If they move an 1/8" or so, you've got a REALLY BAD problem and they REALLY NEED TO BE REPLACED. When you have the half shafts out of the car, inspect the u-joints. They could also be causing your problem, but only if they're REAL BAD. Most likely, they be a little bad. That means they'll have to be replaced, too.

    Unfortunately, stub axle replacement requires the differential(pumpkin) to be removed from the car. If the stub axles are severely worn, that means that all the metal that ground off is in the fluid and in the bearings. That means rebuild time. One thing leads to another in these things, but who ever said that Corvettes were easy to maintain?

    For stub axle replacements, there are a few ways to go. The GM axles, both the heavy duty cap type(GM #3872922) and the u-bolt type(GM #14016436) are discontinued, so that's not an option. Just as well, though. Towards the end of production, the case hardening of these axles was getting pretty bad and they were really short lived pieces.

    You can purchase rebuilt, original axles. These axles have a super-hardened "button" installed on the axle end. This is just about wear-proof and will provide long and good service. Very popular service item. These axles cost about $90 each, exchange.

    You can also buy new, reproduction axles manufactured by International Axle Manufacturing Company of Minnesota. These are high quality pieces with excellent hardening and machining. They cost about $225.00 each outright.

    Un
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Shane G.
    Expired
    • October 1, 1994
    • 10

    #2
    Which crank to use ?

    I have the option of either of two available crankshafts in my 64 L75. The first is the original 2680 and the second is a late 66 4577. Unfortunately, it appears that the original crank will need to be ground .010". The 4577 crank looks as though it would clean up with polishing alone. Is there any real difference between the two cranks that I should know about? Any opinions on which one to use?

    Also, how much should I expect to pay for a set of the late small journal connecting rods? What does it cost to have them refurbished and shot peened? Thanks for any info.

    Shane

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    • Dale Pearman

      #3
      Re: Which crank to use ?

      There's nothing wrong with a 10/10 crank and in fact if you've got a good machinist it provides an opportinity to blueprint the beast with good braring radi, oil hole relief, indexing, deburring balancing and general cleaning up. Cast cranks will do just about anything you want to do on the street and are cheap. If you intend to turn 7,000 rpm for long periods of time, then steel is necessary.

      Small journal rods made after 1966 should cost you $10.00 each and polishing/shot peening a set costs about $125.00. You need to have them resized and by all means change the fasteners to ARP or other HIGH quality nuts and bolts.

      Dale.

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      • George R.
        Expired
        • February 1, 2000
        • 103

        #4
        Re: Which crank to use ?

        Like Dale said there's nothing wrong with taking down the crank .010". Just remember to get the appropriate bearings to match the size the crank was taken down. In your case if you chose the to get the crank turned .010" make sure your machinist provides you with the right beairngs to match the journals.

        Good luck,grr#33570

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • February 1, 1988
          • 42936

          #5
          Re: Which crank to use ?

          Shane-----

          As far as I know, the '2680' and '4577' crankshafts are functionally interchangeable, if not identical. Both are 327 forged steel crankshafts. In fact, virtually all 327 crankshafts are forged steel except some of the 1968+ types which are all large main journal and won't work in your engine, anyway.

          The rods that you're after are the heavy beam, 3/8" bolt style. Be cautious, though, as NOT ALL 3/8" rod bolt rods are the heavy beam type. In any event, these rods are not rare and you should have no difficulty finding a set.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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          • Gene M.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 1, 1985
            • 4232

            #6
            Re: Which crank to use ?

            If you plan on flight judging check on the presence or not of a female thread in the front end of the crank for the damper wheel bolt on higher horse engines.

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            • Dale Pearman

              #7
              There is a serial number in 1962

              when the bolt started appearing regardless of horsepower and another serial number when those without the bolt disappeared. As I remember S/N 2500 and S/N 3500 ring a bell. The use of the bolt was independent of horsepower and I presume that the bolts were used throughout 63, as well as 64 production.

              Dale.

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              • Shane G.
                Expired
                • October 1, 1994
                • 10

                #8
                Crank snout bolt hole

                Thanks for mentioning that Gene, both cranks have just the locating indent and no bolt hole. While we are on that subject, what is the correct way of pressing the balancer on one of these cranks? My balancer installation tool doesn't work without a bolt hole to thread into.

                Thanks, Shane

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                • Gene M.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 1, 1985
                  • 4232

                  #9
                  Re: Crank snout bolt hole

                  Shane, I would just use a dead blow hammer and a block of 2x4 wood and tap it on. Make sure both damper bore and crank end (and seal) are oiled up. Take your time as not to upset the damper wheel rubber and the relationship of the outer ring to the hub.

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                  • Shane G.
                    Expired
                    • October 1, 1994
                    • 10

                    #10
                    Connecting Rod Identification

                    What is the best way to tell the heavy beam, 3/8" bolt style rods from the others?

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                    • Joe L.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • February 1, 1988
                      • 42936

                      #11
                      Re: Connecting Rod Identification

                      Shane-----

                      I'm afraid that the fine points of these early connecting rods are not an area of expertise for me; perhaps someone else will be able to provide further information.
                      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                      • Joe L.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • February 1, 1988
                        • 42936

                        #12
                        Re: Connecting Rod Identification

                        Shane-----

                        I've done a little more research and learned that I may have provided some confusing and/or incorrect information here. It turns out that ALL pre-68 GM 327 rods use 11/32" rod bolts. The 3/8" rod bolts did not start until 1968 and were used only with the "large" journal size. These rods will not work with a pre-68 327 crankshaft.

                        The heavy beam pre-68 327 connecting rods are identified by a "bump" on the circular, machined area on the big end of the rod. The "bump" is located near the head of the rod bolts. On lesser rods, the circular machined area is completely round with no "bumps".

                        Aftermarket 3/8" rod bolt rods are available for pre-68 327s, I believe.
                        In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                        • Shane G.
                          Expired
                          • October 1, 1994
                          • 10

                          #13
                          Re: Connecting Rod Identification

                          Thanks for the reply Joe. Where did you find this info? Both machine shop guys I talked to looked as me as though I was nuts, and I could find nothing through the common search engines. If you ever need the room(s) that your research library takes up, I would be happy to clear them out for you.

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                          • Joe L.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • February 1, 1988
                            • 42936

                            #14
                            Re: Connecting Rod Identification

                            Shane-----

                            This information is kind of a compendium which came from a variety of sources. However, there is an excellent picture comparison of the pre-68 small block rods, including 283, "weak" 327, and "strong" 327 rods, on page 36 of the book Chevy Performance by John Michelsen. This book has a 1981 copyright and I don't know if it's still in print or not.
                            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                            • John H.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • December 1, 1997
                              • 16513

                              #15
                              Re: Crank snout bolt hole

                              It also helps to brace the rear flange of the crank against something solid so that the hammer impacts are absorbed there and not against the surface of the thrust bearing.

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