Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15229

    #1

    Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

    I've been researching the California Vehicle Code (CVC). You can find the index at: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm
    Pay particular attention to Section 5050.

    "The Legislature finds and declares that constructive leisure pursuits by California citizens is most important. This article is intended to encourage responsible participation in the hobby of collecting, preserving, restoring, and maintaining motor vehicles of historic and special interest, which hobby contributes to the enjoyment of the citizen and the preservation of California's automotive memorabilia."

    Further, you will find that any vehicle over 25 years old qualifies for "historical vehicle" plates, and the driving restrictions are the same as most collector car insurance policies.

    Do you see where I am going here? One strategy to get the emission control boogieman off our backs is to find a solon who will support adding an emission test exemption to the "historical vehicle" license plate.

    Thoughts? Comments?

    The following are relevant CVC extracts. I also have them on a one page Word document. E-mail me if you would like the file.

    California Vehicle Code Extracts
    Index at: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/vctoc.htm
    Article 8.0 Special Plates
    Vehicles of Historic Value
    5004. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this code, any owner of a vehicle described in paragraph (1), (2), or (3) which is operated or moved over the highway primarily for the purpose of historical exhibition or other similar purpose shall, upon application in the manner and at the time prescribed by the department, be issued special identification plates for the vehicle:
    (1) A motor vehicle with an engine of 16 or more cylinders manufactured prior to 1965.
    (2) A motor vehicle manufactured in the year 1922 or prior thereto.
    (3) A vehicle which was manufactured after 1922, is at least 25 years old, and is of historic interest.
    (b) The special identification plates assigned to motor vehicles with an engine of 16 or more cylinders manufactured prior to 1965 and to any motor vehicle manufactured in the year 1922 and prior thereto shall run in a separate numerical series, commencing with "Horseless Carriage No. 1".
    The special identification plates assigned to vehicles specified in paragraph (3) of subdivision (a) shall run in a separate numerical series, commencing with "Historical Vehicle No. 1".
    Each series of plates shall have different and distinguishing colors.
    (c) A fee of twenty-five dollars ($25) shall be charged for the initial issuance of the special identification plates. Such plates shall be permanent and shall not be required to be replaced. If such special identification plates become damaged or unserviceable in any manner, replacement for the plates may be obtained from the department upon proper application and upon payment of such fee as is provided for in Section 9265.
    (d) All funds received by the department in payment for such identification plates or the replacement thereof shall be deposited in the California Environmental License Plate Fund.
    (e) These vehicles shall not be exempt from the equipment provisions of Sections 26709, 27150, and 27600.
    (f) As used in this section, a vehicle is of historic interest if it is collected, restored, maintained, and operated by a collector or hobbyist principally for purposes of exhibition and historic vehicle club activities.
    Amended Ch. 918, Stats. 1984. Effective January 1, 1985.

    Article 8.3 Historic and Special Interest Vehicles
    Legislative Findings
    5050. The Legislature finds and declares that constructive leisure pursuits by California citizens is most important. This article is intended to encourage responsible participation in the hobby of collecting, preserving, restoring, and maintaining motor vehicles of historic and special interest, which hobby contributes to the enjoyment of the citizen and the preservation of California's automotive memorabilia.
    Added Ch. 753, Stats. 1975. Effective January 1, 1976.

    Definitions
    5051. As used in this article, unless the context otherwise requires:
    (a) "Collector" is the owner of one or more vehicles described in Section 5004 or of one or more special interest vehicles, as defined in this article, who collects, purchases, acquires, trades, or disposes of such vehicle, or parts thereof, for his or her own use, in order to preserve, restore, and maintain such vehicle for hobby or historical purposes.
    (b) "Special interest vehicle" is a vehicle of any age which is unaltered from the manufacturer's original specifications and, because of its significance, such as an out-of-production vehicle, or a model of less than 2,000 sold in California in any model year, is being collected, preserved, restored, or maintained by a hobbyist as a leisure pursuit.
    (c) "Parts car" is a motor vehicle which is owned by a collector to furnish parts for restoration or maintenance of a special interest vehicle or a vehicle described in Section 5004 or 5004.6, thus enabling a collector to preserve, restore, and maintain a special interest vehicle or a vehicle described in Section 5004 or 5004.6.
    (d) "Street rod vehicle" is a motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, manufactured in or prior to 1948 which has been individually modified in its body style or design, including through the use of nonoriginal or reproduction components, and which may include additional modifications to other components, including, but not limited to, the engine, drive train, suspension, and brakes in a manner that does not adversely affect its safe performance as a motor vehicle or render it unlawful for highway use.
    Amended Ch. 929, Stats. 1990. Effective January 1, 1991.

    Storage: Manner of Maintenance
    5052. Except as otherwise provided by local ordinance, a collector may maintain one or more vehicles described in Section 5051, whether currently licensed or unlicensed, or whether operable or inoperable, in outdoor storage on private property, if every such vehicle and outdoor storage area is maintained in such manner as not to constitute a health hazard and is located away from public view, or screened from ordinary public view, by means of a suitable fence, trees, shrubbery, opaque covering, or other appropriate means.
    Added Ch. 753, Stats. 1975. Effective January 1, 1976.
  • Terry M.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • October 1, 1980
    • 15488

    #2
    Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

    Duke,
    In the state of Illinois vehicles with antique license plates, any car older than 25 yo qualifies, does not need to undergo the semi-annual emissions inspection.
    I can not cite the legal basis for this, but it is the current practice.
    Terry

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    • Mike M.
      NCRS Past President
      • June 1, 1974
      • 8288

      #3
      Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

      Duke and terry: in maryland, anything older than 25 years can get either historic or street rod tags and there is never, not even at initial licensing, an inspection the old girl has to go thru. we got some pretty shabby POS's running arond, built by Bubba and the Bar Brothers(crow, pry and wrecking) that are a menace to the public. regards, mike ps-- an no Dipstick, i'm not describing any of my creations.

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      • Duke W.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 1, 1993
        • 15229

        #4
        Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

        Thanks for the input, guys. I'm currently working on arranging a personal meeting with my State Senator who supported removing the emission test rollback in last year's SB 708.

        It always helps to present data on what other states are doing.

        Duke

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        • Mark H.
          Very Frequent User
          • August 1, 1998
          • 384

          #5
          Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

          Duke: Here in Virginia, only vehicles less than 25 years old are subject to emissions inspections, and only in Northern Virginia. The following is from the Virginia DEQ website:

          Which vehicles require an emissions inspection?

          The following vehicles require a Virginia Emissions Inspection PASS or WAIVER before DMV can complete the registration process:
          Gasoline-powered passenger or property carrying vehicles with a model year that is less than 25 model years old before January 1 of the current calendar year and with a manufacturer's designated gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000 pounds or less which are registered in the following localities:
          Counties of: Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, Prince William, and Stafford
          Cities of: Alexandria, Fairfax, Falls Church, Manassas, and Manassas Park
          All local, state, and federal government vehicles registered or operated primarily in the Northern Virginia program area are subject to the emissions inspection program. In addition, Section 118 of the federal Clean Air Act requires any employee of the federal government commuting into the program area and operating their vehicle on a federal installation to comply with the emissions inspection program. Federal employees should contact their individual agency about complying with this federal requirement.

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          • Christopher R.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 1, 1975
            • 1593

            #6
            Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

            Massachusetts doesn't require emissions tests for any vehicle older than 1983. The safety part of the yearly inspection, though, still applies. See:

            http://www.mass.gov/rmv/inspect/ins-car.htm

            Smoke pouring out of your tailpipe though, whatever the year of the car, will still flunk you for reasons other than emissions.

            Massachusetts thinks they invented automobile inspections, and they are quite proud of having one of the oldest and continuously operated inpection programs in the nation. It used to be a joke, and a pain in the neck. Now it's tough, fair, and obeyed.

            In the past, Massachusetts usually followed California emissions regulations. Maybe it's time for the reverse.

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            • Joe C.
              Expired
              • September 1, 1999
              • 4601

              #7
              Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

              Duke:

              The key, of course, is how much the vehicle is driven. In New Jersey, there is a special "Collector Vehicle" decal that is used in place of the normal inspection sticker. Collector Vehicles have NO age restriction. They must not be driven > 3,000 miles per year. They must have special collector car insurance. The vehicle is then exempt from State inspection. At inspection time, the owner must drive the vehicle to the inspection facility, where the odometer reading is verified. If the mileage is OK, you're done. So, if somebody wants to do this with a 2001 Kia, it is OK, as long as the requirements are fulfilled. This program began about three years ago, and is in addition to the Historic ("QQ") plates.

              Joe

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              • Craig S.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 1, 1997
                • 2471

                #8
                Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

                Duke - In AZ, we used to have the rolling 25 year exemption, but, a few years back, they changed it to force emissions testing on 67 and newer, 66 back is exempt. This is in Pima and Maricopa counties only (Tucson and Metro Phoenix are respectively)...Craig

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                • Duke W.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • January 1, 1993
                  • 15229

                  #9
                  Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

                  I don't see how they can test tailpipe emissions on '67s. There were no tailpipe standards in AZ (federal) until 1968.

                  With the exception of cars delivered in CA, which did have CA tailpipe standards in '66 and '67, the only emission control device for '67 models in AZ or any other state except CA would be a PCV system.

                  Duke

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                  • Craig S.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • July 1, 1997
                    • 2471

                    #10
                    Re: Additional thoughts on California AB 2683

                    Duke - they may have just done some extrapolation of some form.....if I remember, they set the HC at 400PPM and the CO at 4.0% for the 67. I would have to check for sure, not sure where the numbers came from, but it almost seems my 74 has the same standards. The new cars were of course tightend up a bunch. The current OBDII they no longer sniff at all, they just plug on the connector and check for MIL flags......if you have none, you pass. The older cars are run on a dyno at both idle and at 35mph (you get to pick your gear). For rear wheel drive cars, you run the car on the dyno, for front wheel drive, they do (I can see one shooting across the room)......Craig

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