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  • Dick W.
    Former NCRS Director Region IV
    • June 30, 1985
    • 10483

    #31
    Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

    As usual you make a lot of sense with your replys. Rivets would be "typical factory production" but the logic for the adhesive makes a lot of sense.
    Dick Whittington

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    • Wayne W.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 30, 1982
      • 3605

      #32
      Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

      JR, you said yours were bonded. You didnt say if the holes for the rivets were there. I think that all were intended to be riveted, thus the holes should be there, riveted or not. Are the holes there in the bonded ones?

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      • Wayne W.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 30, 1982
        • 3605

        #33
        Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

        JR, you said yours were bonded. You didnt say if the holes for the rivets were there. I think that all were intended to be riveted, thus the holes should be there, riveted or not. Are the holes there in the bonded ones?

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        • Joe R.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • July 31, 1976
          • 4547

          #34
          Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

          Wayne,

          Yes, the holes are there but there are no rivets in any of the t-nuts. Just bonding material and very messy applied I might add. Looks like the ends of the nuts were dipped in the bonding material and then applied to the access door.

          Regards,

          JR

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          • Joe R.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • July 31, 1976
            • 4547

            #35
            Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

            Wayne,

            Yes, the holes are there but there are no rivets in any of the t-nuts. Just bonding material and very messy applied I might add. Looks like the ends of the nuts were dipped in the bonding material and then applied to the access door.

            Regards,

            JR

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            • Loren L.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • April 30, 1976
              • 4104

              #36
              Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

              My response of "no rivtis" was based on the observation of two '65 SB A/C cars, #21083 (a 30K mile car purchased from the original owner in Phx) and #23561 (not so low mileage, but another Phx car). In both cases, the inner fender covers HAD the holes for the rivits, but of the 12 rivit holes, 8 on one and 9 on the other were filled with undercoat spray - no rivit portions or signs of ever having rivits. The two cars did, however, share another anomaly - the middle hole on the outboard side had been REDRILLED through the location of the lower RIVIT hole in order to match up with the hole in the inner fender - who made the mistake, the guy drilling the cover or the guy driling the inner fenders??

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              • Loren L.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • April 30, 1976
                • 4104

                #37
                Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

                My response of "no rivtis" was based on the observation of two '65 SB A/C cars, #21083 (a 30K mile car purchased from the original owner in Phx) and #23561 (not so low mileage, but another Phx car). In both cases, the inner fender covers HAD the holes for the rivits, but of the 12 rivit holes, 8 on one and 9 on the other were filled with undercoat spray - no rivit portions or signs of ever having rivits. The two cars did, however, share another anomaly - the middle hole on the outboard side had been REDRILLED through the location of the lower RIVIT hole in order to match up with the hole in the inner fender - who made the mistake, the guy drilling the cover or the guy driling the inner fenders??

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                • Wayne M.
                  Expired
                  • March 1, 1980
                  • 6414

                  #38
                  This is amazing

                  Just happened to pull the battery out of '65 L78 #23564 (on jackstands for 6 mos) to swap into '65 # 01487 C60 car; just for excercise (both electron-wise for the battery and muscle-wise for the owner, as anyone who has these left-hand battery cars can attest).

                  This L78 is 3 cars after Loren's, and [incredibly, IMO] has the same outboard (middle) hole re-drilled towards the lower rivet hole. Also, upon close examination, there were NO rivets holding the 6 nuts. What I THOUGHT were the remains of rivets was actually extruded glue (checked with jeweler's screwdriver and a magnet). The rivet holes are countersunk from the inside, and none of the holes show distress, as would be the case if rivets were factory installed and corrosion torque ripped the anchor nut away from the rivets.

                  Should be pointed out that this battery panel still has the original foam rubber seal along the top inner edge, and that the exterior has EXTREMELY thick undercoating; almost looks like the nuts were glued on AFTER the undercoat applied, as the nuts themselves are NOT covered with undercoat. Out of the 6 original nuts, one is still in place, 3 others are orignal but loose (rivet holes empty or glue-filled). I added the missing two.

                  I'll report on the early '65 C60 car when I swap the battery in the next few days.

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                  • Wayne M.
                    Expired
                    • March 1, 1980
                    • 6414

                    #39
                    This is amazing

                    Just happened to pull the battery out of '65 L78 #23564 (on jackstands for 6 mos) to swap into '65 # 01487 C60 car; just for excercise (both electron-wise for the battery and muscle-wise for the owner, as anyone who has these left-hand battery cars can attest).

                    This L78 is 3 cars after Loren's, and [incredibly, IMO] has the same outboard (middle) hole re-drilled towards the lower rivet hole. Also, upon close examination, there were NO rivets holding the 6 nuts. What I THOUGHT were the remains of rivets was actually extruded glue (checked with jeweler's screwdriver and a magnet). The rivet holes are countersunk from the inside, and none of the holes show distress, as would be the case if rivets were factory installed and corrosion torque ripped the anchor nut away from the rivets.

                    Should be pointed out that this battery panel still has the original foam rubber seal along the top inner edge, and that the exterior has EXTREMELY thick undercoating; almost looks like the nuts were glued on AFTER the undercoat applied, as the nuts themselves are NOT covered with undercoat. Out of the 6 original nuts, one is still in place, 3 others are orignal but loose (rivet holes empty or glue-filled). I added the missing two.

                    I'll report on the early '65 C60 car when I swap the battery in the next few days.

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                    • Peter L.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • May 31, 1983
                      • 1930

                      #40
                      Re: This is amazing

                      Wayne - Here I thought you were saying Loren was amazing but for those that know him we're not surprised. Between Loren's, Joe's and your posting I've found it interesting and hopefully learned something and I'll now keep a more careful eye out for those "anamolies" to the AIM. Who know's what else we'll observe and hopefully learn. Good thread. Pete

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                      • Peter L.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • May 31, 1983
                        • 1930

                        #41
                        Re: This is amazing

                        Wayne - Here I thought you were saying Loren was amazing but for those that know him we're not surprised. Between Loren's, Joe's and your posting I've found it interesting and hopefully learned something and I'll now keep a more careful eye out for those "anamolies" to the AIM. Who know's what else we'll observe and hopefully learn. Good thread. Pete

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                        • Richard L.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • May 31, 1988
                          • 156

                          #42
                          Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

                          Joe Ray,

                          I Like This Explanation The Best...

                          I'll Have Mine Riveted On and Be Done With It Since I'm Not on the Assembly Line Process.

                          Very Interesting Thread...

                          Rick

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                          • Richard L.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • May 31, 1988
                            • 156

                            #43
                            Re: 1965 A/C / 396 Battery Access Door Panel Quest

                            Joe Ray,

                            I Like This Explanation The Best...

                            I'll Have Mine Riveted On and Be Done With It Since I'm Not on the Assembly Line Process.

                            Very Interesting Thread...

                            Rick

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                            • Loren L.
                              Extremely Frequent Poster
                              • April 30, 1976
                              • 4104

                              #44
                              Now it's going to be fun to seek out the

                              "late '65's" who "fixed" the outboard mounting hole....or the guys who made a counterfeit 396 and didn't realize that "Bubba the hole driller" had made a mistake.....

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                              • Loren L.
                                Extremely Frequent Poster
                                • April 30, 1976
                                • 4104

                                #45
                                Now it's going to be fun to seek out the

                                "late '65's" who "fixed" the outboard mounting hole....or the guys who made a counterfeit 396 and didn't realize that "Bubba the hole driller" had made a mistake.....

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