63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

[Chuck G.]

Having my 63 painted. It's Riverside Red. Had the original paint on it...in POOR shape. Body is done...ready for color.

Painter ordered Riverside Red from PPG. Shot the rear valence panel for me. Looks great, BUT.........

When you look at the original Riverside Red under the deck lid and in the door jambs...where no "sun" has taken its' toll, my original paint is a "deeper", more "red" red, as compared to the PPG red which is SLIGHTLY more orange.

My painter thinks the PPG is the real original correct color, and that my original red has turned "violet" or "purple" with age, as is common with old lacquer.

I have a RM paint chip which shows the "darker" red, more matching my car.

I'm an old "coot" and I remember these cars "new". I remember them being more "orange". I need "sage advice".....what color do I pick? All help and suggestions appreciated. Got to make a decision next week. TIA.

Also should mention that it's the same red used from 59 through 64...different names, Roman Red and Riverside Red, but same color codes. Chuck

[Patrick T.]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

Chuck, the guy who painted my '57 ordered Venetian Red, through the PPG dealer who had the tint color code for it. It matched exactly with the many color pictures I had of Venetian Red. A lot of people would look at the car after it was painted and said it looked orange. I told them it was not orange, but tomato red.

Once they heard this, they said...yeah, you're right, it is tomato red. PT

[Ed Jennings]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

The Roman/Riverside red is indeed pretty orange, particularily in bright sunlight. The original toners used to make the color probably are no longer produced. The original was made by DuPont, and my understanding is that they have recalled all of the existing lacquer components. The DuPont toners probably aren't the same either, so you end up with something that is a "blendable match". The PPG is unlikely to be any closer.

Even though the jamb and deck areas haven't seen much sun, they have still been exposed to the elements for 40+ years and may have undergone some slight change in color.

[Chuck G.]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

So I can paint it purple, and tell everyone "its Riverside Red"... After all these years, who really knows, and who really "remembers". I'm speaking of a SLIGHT variation in shade here...not something drastic. NCRS has made me paranoid about paint, especially after being in Windsor last month. Chuck

[Tom D.]

What happened in Windsor (about paint)? *NM*

[Chuck G.]

Re: What happened in Windsor (about paint)?

A number of cars were "called" and given big deducts for shades of paint, as well as BC/CC and urethane. Chuck

[Stephen W.]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

Lead was used to produce red pigments back then. Lead is no more so all formulas were redone to produce the colors without lead pigments. Variations would be expected. RM paints was also an OEM supplier but don't use a paint chip as a "standard". If you have an area that you feel is a true representation of the color use it to have the formula adjusted. Then make sure you keep a small amount for touch up work.

[Kenneth S.]

[list][*] DMA336 - 800.0 - PERMANENT ORANGE[*] DMA358 - 27.2 - STRONG BLACK[*] DMA359 - 1600.0 - LT. PERM. RED[*] DMA361 - 1719.2 - CADMIUM RED

Ken

[Loren L.]

I'd go to whoever mixed the paint, tell

him of my concern (show him the RM chip) and ask him to mix another pint according the formula and compare that pint with the first batch - I'll be something got screwed up.

[Chuck G.]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

THANK YOU, Ken. I've printed the formula, and will check it. Chuck

[Chuck G.]

Re: I'd go to whoever mixed the paint, tell

Thanks Loren. He's having a pint of Riverside Red mixed next week....another brand...don't know which, and we're going to spray some test panels and compare color. Chuck

[Bill W.]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

I put dupont laquer on a red 63 it matched the jambs ,old paint & under the hood. If your not happy now you wont be happy at the judging field.

[Dick W.]

Re: I'd go to whoever mixed the paint, tell

Where's "Real Deal" when you need him to address an "issue"???

[Christopher R.]

Re: 63 Paint Shade Advise Needed

FWIW. I had my '62 painted in Dupont Roman Red lacquer about 20 years ago. The painter, at that time, mixed and bought whatever the paint color was according to the factory codes I gave him. The color then was very orangey. Very, very orangey. Striking and remarkable. Now after 20 years, it seems to my eyes that most of the orange tint has gone away. Still some left, but now it seems to be more a deeper red. Of course it could be that my eyes have changed more in 20 years than the paint.

BTW, in 20 years the car has seen little sun. The car doesn't get out much. It spends most of its time covered in a garage.

I do remember that this was a topic of discussion 20 years ago - how much orange is in Roman/Riverside Red. The consensus then was that the orange was always there. People just didn't remember how much orange originally.