Have you ever noticed that it seems like every time a mid-year vette is up for sale, they are selling it for "someone else". Doesn't anyone ever sell their own car? Must be a liability issue, where no one wants to take responsibility for information and claims made of their own vehicle. Seems like the usual story is "I'm selling it for a friend who doesn't know how to use the computer."
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Re: EBAY; ALWAYS SELLING A CAR FOR SOMEONE ELSE...
To try and verify that the ebay car was real, I asked the seller to send a copy of the title. His response: no fax available, scanner was broken, and he didn't have a digital camera. Granted, all of those things are possible, but I don't need too many red flags to turn me off. -
Re: EBAY; ALWAYS SELLING A CAR FOR SOMEONE ELSE...
when a person advertises it someone elses car, HE IS REALLY SAYING HAVE AN OPEN TITLE THAT IS NOT IN MY NAME. Think about it, just a thoughtComment
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Re: EBAY; ALWAYS SELLING A CAR FOR SOMEONE ELSE...
That only applies to a Dealer, who is authorized to assign it to the next owner without having to take title himself. However, I'm referring to the many cars on Ebay advertised as "I'm selling this car for my friend" and so forth, where you conveniently can't talk to the actual owner. For example, last week I called regarding a car that was advertised as "having all the papers" by the person selling it for someone else. When I asked what papers, he said there were, in fact, no papers at all, and that he must have missunderstood the owner. My point is that it seems like as far as Ebay is concerned, good luck trying to directly ask the owner a question. He will usually not be involved in the sale, even when the car is being sold by an individual as opposed to a dealer. This is an easy for the seller, when information about the vehicle turns out to be incorrect, or incomplete, to simply claim "sorry, I'm not the owner".Comment
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They may be telling the truth...
These statements are making me feel like a crook and it shouldn't. I may sell my '64 in the spring and a friend will have to do it for me. I don't have a digital camera, I don't know how to do all the fancy stuff needed to advertise it, but I do have a clear title and a super clean coupe that will be a fantastic buy for someone. Try to give some of these ads some slack.Comment
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Re: They may be telling the truth...
Randy I don't know about the others, but Im still annoyed at my own stupidity. I once drove 1400 miles to look at a "cherry" C2 that was more like the pit. I should have been more inquisitive and assertive, in getting copies of documentation and vehicle photographs beforehand. (Spent more hours driving than minutes looking at the wreck). I think if your friend can help you get doc and photos on line then there should be fewer surprises. Good Luck LesComment
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Re: They may be telling the truth...
Randy,
I think you are missing the point. You obviously have a computer and would list your car under your Ebay name and would answer any questions. Using a friend to help you take photos and word the ad is understandable. Now, if your friend listed it under his Ebay name and answered all questions about your car and said you didn't have a computer, thats a different story. That doesn"t make you or your friend a crook but with all the fraud in Ebay it makes a person to think twice about spending thousands of dollars.
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DIDN'T MEAN TO START ANY TROUBLE
I was just commenting on how few cars are for sale by their actual owner, who is the person I would most like to speak with before seriously considering a purchase. Although in some cases he may not be as technically knowledgeable as someone selling the car for him, there's no substitute for first hand information.(Just my opinion)Comment
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Re: They may be telling the truth...
I agree it's not fair to paint all the ads with one brush. Back in July I lost out on my bid for a 1971 LT1 Coupe. Car was still in the origianl owners name but she was not computer smart and so her son-in-law posted it under his ID. This car had the original bill-of-sale dated 11/1970 and a build date in late Sept of the same year. 38,000 showing on the odometer and it looked every bit of it. The son-in-law walked out to the garage and fired it up so I could listen to the rt & left exhaust as well as the rt & lt side of the engine with his cell phone. This was a real car and a real history with the real owner. He was even decent enough to follow up with me a month later just to let me know the deal was completed. I asked to be called if the deal fell through. It all comes down to doing your homework. If it looks too good it probable is and if it smells like a fish story , well...
There will always be crooks and con artists out there... and a fool and his money are soon partedComment
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Gypsy dealers
The collector car market has always been full of gypsy resellers. These are individuals who are not licensed / registered used car dealers, but "hobbyists" selling used cars for profit. They can maximize their profit and avoid being classified by the state as a dealer by jumping title, so that is what many do.
However, not all eBay sellers placing ads to "sell for someone else" are gypsy dealers. I think most Corvette enthusiasts are aged between 50 and dead. That's also the age group that is very computer illiterate. (Have you noticed the low percentage of NCRS members that participate in this on-line Discussion Board?)
What fascinates me is the high percentage of used car dealers that bid on Corvettes through eBay auctions. The last time I placed an old Corvette on eBay, fully 90% of the bids were placed by dealers. I assume someone is a dealer if they are bidding on many used Corvettes at the same time.Comment
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