New paint scoring from National

[Garry Barnes]

Someone provided the new scoring criteria for paint recently on this board. I have been searching the archives and can't seem to find it. Can someone lead me in the right direction please? Thanks.
Garry

[Dick W.]

Re: New paint scoring from National

Garry below is a link to the new Standard Deduction guidelines for paint. There is really nothing changed, just a guideline to go by. This will assist judges in being consistent from meet to meet and from division to division

https://www.ncrs.org/ncc/infofolder/paintguide.html

[Garry Barnes]

Re: New paint scoring from National

Thank you Dick. For some reason I was thinking that there were a few minor changes.
Garry

[Gary Bishop]

Re: New paint scoring from National

Such as a plus or minus 5% colour variation that GM accepted from suppliers?????

[Dick W.]

Re: New paint scoring from National

It just leveled the playing field in my opinion. Some divisions were death on anything that did not appear to be lacquer where as some divisions took a more laid back attitude. When I had the pleasure of serving as a team leader I guess that I was one of the more laid back group. If it appeared to look like lacquer, the jams, hood ledge, etc were done properly that was fine. I took the attitude, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

The publishing of a standard just makes everything easier for everybody concerned.

[Terry M.]

paint scoring from National

All members will have a copy soon. It is the National Judging Chairman's message in the next Restorer.

[Gene B.]

Re: paint scoring from National

There needs to be some consistancy to this, since my car was judged at a regional. The exterior judge, first accusing me of having excessive repairs to the front end of my 1958, because I had stabilizer supports under each of the fenders. Then he tells me that the paint was not the correct color, based on his paint chip. I also had the same paint chip sheet and the two paint chips did not match. The judge accused me of leaving my paint chip in the sun to fade it to match my car. Then the following day told me event though my car was not the correct color, he liked my color better than the original. Go figure!!!

Also told me that the wheels should have been body color. Never checked the manual. When he found out that 58s had silver wheels he did not change the deduction because he said the wheels were not gloosy enough. So I go from the wrong color on the wheels to the correct color on the wheels, but they were not glossy enough, with the same point deduction.

This judging was done by a Master level judged. This happended in June and I am still extremely upset. Interesting that there were three 58s absolutely beautiful cars at this event and none scored top flight. Two of the three owners had previous top flights at regional events. I had my car judged at a chapter meet a month later and scored 98 plus. Granted this was a chapter meet, but...

Last time this car will be judged at an NCRS event.

[Patrick H.]

Re: paint scoring from National

Just my own thought, but I think the usage of paint chips as "gospel" is ridiculous. They may be valuable in telling Laguna Blue from Trophy Blue on a 66, but to say whether or not a Nassau Blue does or does not match a paint chip 100% is absurd. Original paint cars can be quite blotchy - so which blotch is the "correct" color?

I'd bet that if we took all the paint chip books that are available for sale and compared color chips, they wouldn't match. So then, which one is right?

With a 5-10% variation in color allowed at the time of model build, not even every Corvette matched on day one. Thinking they would years later makes no sense.

Too bad your day was ruined. I hope you understand that not all judging events are like the one you attended.

Patrick

[Michael W.]

But the example

also illustrates a great feature of the Flight judging system. You can get your car judged as many times as you like. One bad experience with one bad judging call shouldn't ruin your life.

[Patrick H.]

Re: But the example

Absolutely.

We've all experienced judges we didn't like or thought were unfair. Some didn't even know much about our cars when they judged them. But if you don't like the result, then bring the car to a different meet on a different day, and you'll likely get a different result.

Patrick

[Chas Henderson #28127]

Re: Do I understand this right?

If a car has a hood strip, just on the hood, he looses all condition and originality points? So I could have a wrong hood on the car and loose 25 points, if its the correct color, but put the correct hood with a strip, just on the hood would be like 135 points or more? Or, if I have the coves painted a non recomended color - or is that a non coevette color correct for that year, I would loose all points? Seems alittle extream to me.

Chasman

[John H.]

Re: Do I understand this right?

Yup, that's the way it is; if there are painted features on the car that weren't factory-applied (like dealer-added pin-stripes or painted stripes, etc.), it's a full Paint deduction.

[Mark J.]

What about dealer emblems?

When I have my car painted, I want to reinstall the two-pin pot metal dealer logo for history sake. What is the deduction for this?

Mark

[Patrick H.]

Re: What about dealer emblems?

Likely a nominal deduction like my luggage rack or right side mirror. There "may" be no deduction if your judge is kind, since the standard IS to judge the car "as dealer prepared."

Patrick

[Gene B.]

Re: paint scoring from National

I appreciate all of the comments about having my car rejudged. I hold a master level for judging and have judged at a national event. Just to express the frustration I felt on this judging was based on:

My having been the very active in NCRS, since 1988 both at a chapter Level and regional level. Even national member of the year many years ago. With consolidation of companies, I found myself without a job and putting a daughter through college. This combined with a divorce took a lot of time out of my activity in NCRS. After three years of getting back on my feet and re-emerging to active levels within NCRS, I get a judged who represented himslef as having a lot of knowledge on a 1958 car. You see by the previous post that this was not the case.

I am not trying to gain sympathy only to point out that the one time you may judge a persons car, you need to be aware of how much your knowledge or lack thereof can impact a person feelings. NCRS is the best place to have a car judged and the qqaulity of judges in most circumstances is exceptional. However in this case it has taken the fun out of the hobby for me and I will not subject myself through this again. Sorry but as you can see this represents some very strong feelings. Remember this thread next time you judge a car.