I've been looking for glovebox materials for my 65, as all of mine is missing. I saw this on ebay and I can't figure out why someone would pay this much. In the Q&A the interest seems to focus on the P-O-P. I can understand the current owner of that VIN paying big bucks, but why would it have so much value to others? I've seen other P-O-Ps and orginal owners manuals go for a small fraction of this on ebay. Am I missing something here?
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Re: P-O-P
Don-----
Well, there are a lot of things that go for big bucks on eBay that aren't worth anywhere near the money. However, I suppose that there are some folks out there that are so wealthy that they're willing to spend big bucks on "novelty items" or "trinkets". Anyway, in this case, I can see only 2 reason that the owner's packet with Protect-O-Plate would be worth this kind of money to someone:
1) The current owner of that car is the buyer. This sort of documentation would be worth a lot to the owner of such a car, especially since build sheets were not used in 1965. The only other common documentation that one could obtain for a 1965 would be the window sticker or dealer invoice. Either one of these is very unlikely to have survived, so the POP might be the only documenation that exists for this car, assuming that it's still around;
2) Someone plans to "re-create" this car starting from the Protect-O-Plate and "working backward". That's the exact opposite of how it was done originally, of course. Having authentic documentation gives one a good starting point for creating the car. What you end up with is a "replica" of the original car with original documentation. That can increase the value of the car by a margin much greater than what was paid for this auction. Of course, there's 2 other things that one needs to do before creating the "replica": first, one has to be sure that the car of the VIN shown on the POP was never stolen (and unrecovered). Mess up on that and you could lose the "replica" car at some point (or, a subsequent buyer could lose it).
Second, once you're past the foregoing and have determined that the VIN is "clean", you have to make sure that VIN is not already assigned to a car registered in the state that you plan to register the car in. That's it. Get past these 2 hurdles and a few other minor ones and you're there----a "replica" car with original documentation.In Appreciation of John Hinckley -
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Don-----
Well, there are a lot of things that go for big bucks on eBay that aren't worth anywhere near the money. However, I suppose that there are some folks out there that are so wealthy that they're willing to spend big bucks on "novelty items" or "trinkets". Anyway, in this case, I can see only 2 reason that the owner's packet with Protect-O-Plate would be worth this kind of money to someone:
1) The current owner of that car is the buyer. This sort of documentation would be worth a lot to the owner of such a car, especially since build sheets were not used in 1965. The only other common documentation that one could obtain for a 1965 would be the window sticker or dealer invoice. Either one of these is very unlikely to have survived, so the POP might be the only documenation that exists for this car, assuming that it's still around;
2) Someone plans to "re-create" this car starting from the Protect-O-Plate and "working backward". That's the exact opposite of how it was done originally, of course. Having authentic documentation gives one a good starting point for creating the car. What you end up with is a "replica" of the original car with original documentation. That can increase the value of the car by a margin much greater than what was paid for this auction. Of course, there's 2 other things that one needs to do before creating the "replica": first, one has to be sure that the car of the VIN shown on the POP was never stolen (and unrecovered). Mess up on that and you could lose the "replica" car at some point (or, a subsequent buyer could lose it).
Second, once you're past the foregoing and have determined that the VIN is "clean", you have to make sure that VIN is not already assigned to a car registered in the state that you plan to register the car in. That's it. Get past these 2 hurdles and a few other minor ones and you're there----a "replica" car with original documentation.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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I said that build sheets were not used in 1965. What I meant to say was that while build sheets were used in 1965, they were not affixed to the gas tank or otherwise emplaced in the car as a matter of GM policy or practice. They may have been randomly left in the cars by line workers, though.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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I said that build sheets were not used in 1965. What I meant to say was that while build sheets were used in 1965, they were not affixed to the gas tank or otherwise emplaced in the car as a matter of GM policy or practice. They may have been randomly left in the cars by line workers, though.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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I am intrigued by the statment that you could make a build sheet replica from a p-o-p. I have a pop with my car but no build sheet in my posession. It is on top of the tank and and I would like to leave it there. Could I find out what was on that sheet other than 1967,C-2,300hp,4 sp.,A/C, and A.I.R. from the P-O-P? Is this possible? I am always amazed at what pops(pardon the pun)up on this site. I would appreciate some information on this. thank you DaleComment
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I am intrigued by the statment that you could make a build sheet replica from a p-o-p. I have a pop with my car but no build sheet in my posession. It is on top of the tank and and I would like to leave it there. Could I find out what was on that sheet other than 1967,C-2,300hp,4 sp.,A/C, and A.I.R. from the P-O-P? Is this possible? I am always amazed at what pops(pardon the pun)up on this site. I would appreciate some information on this. thank you DaleComment
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Dale-----
I may not have been clear on this. The POP does NOT contain all of the information that would be contained on a build sheet. However, for pre-67 Corvettes, it's the next best thing to having the window sticker or dealer invoice. It does document certain information and it does verify that a certain VIN number was built with a certain engine. That's the really important information to document for certain "often imitated" engine options. It also documents what transmission and differential came with the car as well as original color, interior trim, and a few options like p/s and p/b. A "replica" made up to conform to the information on the POP and with the POP to "co-verify" it, could become what could be considered a "well-documented" car.
Some options would not be included on the POP. They could be added or not to the car. Since there would be no expectation that they could be verified through the POP, they could just "ride along" as being original. Or, someone could dicount them as being original. Either way, the important "attributes" of the car would be documented by the POP.
By the way, it is possible to "reproduce" POP's as it's possible to "reproduce" build sheets. However, both are very detectable. There's nothing like authentic original documentation to back up a car. Most folks would be concentrating on authenticating the documentation and would never dream that the documentation could be real but the car a fake.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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Dale-----
I may not have been clear on this. The POP does NOT contain all of the information that would be contained on a build sheet. However, for pre-67 Corvettes, it's the next best thing to having the window sticker or dealer invoice. It does document certain information and it does verify that a certain VIN number was built with a certain engine. That's the really important information to document for certain "often imitated" engine options. It also documents what transmission and differential came with the car as well as original color, interior trim, and a few options like p/s and p/b. A "replica" made up to conform to the information on the POP and with the POP to "co-verify" it, could become what could be considered a "well-documented" car.
Some options would not be included on the POP. They could be added or not to the car. Since there would be no expectation that they could be verified through the POP, they could just "ride along" as being original. Or, someone could dicount them as being original. Either way, the important "attributes" of the car would be documented by the POP.
By the way, it is possible to "reproduce" POP's as it's possible to "reproduce" build sheets. However, both are very detectable. There's nothing like authentic original documentation to back up a car. Most folks would be concentrating on authenticating the documentation and would never dream that the documentation could be real but the car a fake.In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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Thanks Joe! A very interesting discussion. I never realized that a VIN could be resurected.Comment
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Thanks Joe! A very interesting discussion. I never realized that a VIN could be resurected.Comment
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I was very interested in that item but decided not to go as far as a few of the bidders. The reason why the item was bid up so high is there are two glovebox pieces that are virtually "never" seen. They are the KO wheel card and the 396 piece inside the owners manual. I've been involved with Corvette paper items for over 12 years and have never seen real examples of either piece. In addition the owners manual is a second edition which is the scarcer of the two 65 manuals. The other pieces are not common and are desireable to those who want a complete glovebox package. I'm not at all surprised of the price given the rarity.Comment
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I was very interested in that item but decided not to go as far as a few of the bidders. The reason why the item was bid up so high is there are two glovebox pieces that are virtually "never" seen. They are the KO wheel card and the 396 piece inside the owners manual. I've been involved with Corvette paper items for over 12 years and have never seen real examples of either piece. In addition the owners manual is a second edition which is the scarcer of the two 65 manuals. The other pieces are not common and are desireable to those who want a complete glovebox package. I'm not at all surprised of the price given the rarity.Comment
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Would'a gone higher, but it's Green on Green L ... *NM*
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Would'a gone higher, but it's Green on Green L ... *NM*
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