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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43193

    Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

    Well, I've got some more examples of foolish parts shopping (on eBay, of course). Here they are:

    item #4563701394

    This is a GM big block waterpump of casting #3975928 and GM part #3977630. Some buyer paid $438.00 for it (with other bidders not far behind). This pump was discontinued in 1983. So, what' wrong with this deal for a part discontinued 22 years ago? Well, here's what's wrong:

    1) this waterpump was never used on any PRODUCTION engine (regardless of what some folks might think). It was used only on some SERVICE engines and sold seperately in SERVICE. It "arrived on the scene" too late to have been used on any PRODUCTION ZL-1 engines for which it was "destined". So, the piece could not be required by anyone for "originality" or "restoration" reasons;

    2) although GM #3977630 was discontinued in 1983, it was replaced by GM #14058915. GM #14058915 is EXACTLY the same waterpump, with the exact same casting number, and the exact same other markings. The pump contained in the box labeled 3977630 is EXACTLY the same as the one contained in the box labeled 14058915. What's the reason for the difference in the part numbers? Well, I think it's because 2 waterpump gaskets were added to the box labeled 14058915; those gaskets were not included with pumps in boxes labeled 3977630. And, the 14058915 is still available from GM for a current LIST price of $153.45 but easily purchased for about $115. So, why pay $438 for one?

    item #4563658187
    item #4560911303

    The above items are each a set of 16 GM #3959182 rocker arms. While GM #3959182 rocker arms were not supplied with nuts and rocker balls, in both of the above items, those parts have been "thrown in". In the first case, the buyer paid $207.50 and in the second case, the buyer paid $308.99 (with other folks "right on his heels"). The GM #3959182 rocker arm was used in PRODUCTION for 1969 L-88/ZL-1 engines and 1970-1971 LS-6 engines. It may also have been used for some or all 1969 L-71 and some or all 1969-71 L-78 engines in Chevelles and Camaros. It's the rocker arm marked "H" and the best rocker arm ever available from GM for big blocks and it is discontinued. So, what's wrong with paying these prices for such an illustrious, discontinued piece?

    Well, while it was discontinued, it was replaced by GM #12368082. GM $3959182 was a rocker arm; GM #12368082 is a rocker arm KIT. A box with GM #3959182 contains just a GM #3959182 rocker arm; a box with GM #12368082 contains a GM #3959182 rocker arm + the ball and nut. The rocker arm contained in the KIT, is exactly the same as the one that used to be available as GM #3959182, except that you get the ball and nut, too. You can purchase a GM #12368082 for a GM LIST price of $7.87. Or, if you want a whole set of 16 (as was sold with each of the above eBay items), you can purchase a SET under GM #12368085. The SET carries a GM list price of $91.36 but can be easily purchased for about $70, or less. So, why pay $200-300 for a set?

    When will they ever learn?

    Now, there are some good deals to be found on eBay if one is a "smart shopper". Some time ago, I decided I wanted to get a spare fuel tank for my 92. I found an NOS GM #14048936 tank and purchased it for $250. GM list price for the 14048936 tank (which is used for ALL 1984-96 Corvettes)? $1,914.34. Yes, you read that correctly, $1,914.34 (but, you can buy one for about $1,500).

    I also decided that I'd like to get a spare steering wheel for the 92. That's GM #10201320. I found an NOS example of one of those, too. I paid about $100. GM list price? Well, it's discontinued, but when it was last available it sold for $810.82.

    Now, I think that these two buys represent "smart shopping", if I do say so myself.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Joseph T.
    Expired
    • April 30, 1976
    • 2074

    #2
    Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

    Joe

    The internet has become the worlds largest garage sale and..I think that is a good thing in terms of overall access,compared to advertising in your local home town paper like years ago or waiting for the quartely club magazine to arrive.

    You make an excellant point about some rather foolhardy overpaying..for sometimes readily available items over the counter...but at the same time..my lifetime experience has been most guys attending the dealer parts counter had few answers when challenged for help on Corvette parts.

    Or they were working with a system that was difficult even for them to understand.

    I guess when you consider the millions of parts and part #'s across decades of cars..it is amazing the system works the way it does.

    Maybe..an enterprising person will add an internet search engine to find parts at an offered price..like some of the travel sites?

    Personally..I find it remarkable that items like a 57 ribbed fuel filter cannister and simlilar items that are somewhat rare..are now within reach as a direct result of business's like Ebay..as compared to looking for the same item 20 years ago.

    kindest regards...Joe T

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    • Rob M.
      NCRS IT Developer
      • January 1, 2004
      • 12695

      #3
      Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

      I tend to agree with Joe T. since I would hardly be able to visit any swap meet in the States and are now able to get the parts I need for reasonable prices. Ofcourse the buyer should be aware of the market and market prices but otherwise I wouldn't be able to purchase some of the needed parts (especially the once which aren't repro-ed)...

      greetings,
      Rob Musquetier
      The Netherlands
      Rob.

      NCRS Dutch Chapter Founder & Board Member
      NCRS Software Developer
      C1, C2 and C3 Registry Developer

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      • Ed Jennings

        #4
        Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

        eBay can be a great venue for those of us who frequently can't make it to the big swap meets, but one certainly has to be an informed "shopper".

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • February 1, 1988
          • 43193

          #5
          Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

          Rob and Joe-----

          I never said, and, hopefully, didn't imply that auction sites like eBay are a bad or unworthy thing. Quite the contrary, I think that they're great. If nothing else, they make available parts which would otherwise "lay dormant" and, perhaps, be ultimately "trashed". So, there's no question in my mind, at all, that auction sites are a good thing. In fact, I described two examples of how it was a GREAT thing for me; there are quite a few others, too.

          Plus, if folks wish to pay foolish prices for things, that is their right to do so. An auction is the "final arbiter" of what something is worth-----it's worth what someone is willing to pay. The point of my post was that folks need to RESEARCH things before they bid. I totally agree that a GM dealer is not a good place to research things. That's one of the reasons that I provide a lot of information here that I do; I KNOW that folks can't get that information at most GM dealers (even though, in some cases, the information may be readily available to parts countermen). Nevertheless, there are ways to research these things short of a fruitless trip or call to the GM dealer.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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          • Rob M.
            NCRS IT Developer
            • January 1, 2004
            • 12695

            #6
            Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

            Joe,

            You're absolutely right! PS Thanks for helping us out in the numerous situations that we need to translate numbers to parts or visa versa...

            greetings,
            Rob.
            Rob.

            NCRS Dutch Chapter Founder & Board Member
            NCRS Software Developer
            C1, C2 and C3 Registry Developer

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            • Craig S.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • June 30, 1997
              • 2471

              #7
              Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

              I agree completely Joe. I think at times people find these "rare items" late in the listing cycle and "panic bid" as if there will never be anohter one and hope they are getting the right part. Just my perception......and it is not limited to ebay but many auctions. I have heard of tools and things at local liquidations (Snap-On etc) going for more than you can by a new one at list price of the truck. Possibly it is just a bidding sickness Craig

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              • G B.
                Expired
                • December 1, 1974
                • 1407

                #8
                eBay-speak

                WOW! (or RARE!) = I have no idea what I'm selling, but I sure want you to bid high.

                "I've been told..." = I would like the following information to be true, but I doubt it so much I won't claim it.

                Sold as-is = This part is junk, but you won't find out until you receive it so bid high.

                "I'm not an expert..." = I won't tell you all I know about this part, so please don't bother me.

                "Removed from a running car..." = I can't get it to work properly.

                Bid with confidence = Please bid more than you think it's worth.

                HAPPY BIDDING! = I'm an airhead, and I assume you are too.

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                • Wayne M.
                  Expired
                  • March 1, 1980
                  • 6414

                  #9
                  You forgot "Removed from my '67 435hp" ...

                  ... when obviously the part was never available on such a model year and/or engine option.

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                  • Mark #28455

                    #10
                    that's exactly why it was removed! *NM*

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                    • Joseph T.
                      Expired
                      • April 30, 1976
                      • 2074

                      #11
                      Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

                      Joe

                      Thanks for the great service you provide..it is invaluable..in this world of no where to go for straight info!

                      My post regarding internet sales..was only to describe the amazing access that is now available to restorers of vintage parts that years past would lay dormant..as you said.

                      There are bargains to be had and there are shenanigans played by the unscrupulous. On the whole I am truly amazed at what is listed and available.

                      At minimum the savvy internet user can use what is listed to help track down what they need...the listings give one direct access to people with similar interests.

                      With a little caution, research,patience and due diligence..the results can be very positive.

                      Joe Trybulec

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                      • Craig S.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • June 30, 1997
                        • 2471

                        #12
                        Re: eBay-speak

                        Great encyclopedia Jerry!

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                        • Christopher R.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • March 31, 1975
                          • 1599

                          #13
                          Re: eBay-speak

                          "NOS" = It looks new and it's in a box.

                          There's a guy that sells "NOS" parts, and to prove it, there it is in the picture, right beside the Chevrolet box. Ahhh, but the box is only for display. You don't get the box.

                          Guy must collect boxes. Not the parts. Those he sells to you. He must keep the box in memory of the part. I have this pitiful image of a guy sitting around staring at all these empty Chevy parts boxes reminiscing about all the great parts he used to have.

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                          • Joe L.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • February 1, 1988
                            • 43193

                            #14
                            Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

                            Joe----

                            Your last sentence pretty much says it all.
                            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                            • Joseph T.
                              Expired
                              • April 30, 1976
                              • 2074

                              #15
                              Re: Smart and Not-So-Smart Parts Shopping

                              Joe

                              I have an unrestored unopened 1957 fuel injected black widow engine. I posted it on ebay early this year just to see the reaction.

                              It received 7000 views...and put me in contact with a number of serious collectors around the world... I might never have discovered.

                              Over the years I gave away many parts to guys building their cars..and am still inclined to do so. However...the real and unreal runaway prices paid for parts today..pretty much closes the door on the old way of helping.

                              I don't even remember the last time I heard Save The Wave!

                              Joe T

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