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  • Eddie Lamb

    1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

    Hi All!

    I own a 64 Fuelie Coupe (Riverside Red / Red & white vinyl - originally a Florida car) that is undergoing a complete body-off restoration, done by a top notch restorer - he's restored at least 2 gold medal winners. The frame has been completely done, and the original 375hp motor, MINUS the fuel injection system (which disappeared long before I bought the car) completely and correctly rebuilt/restored. This is a numbers matching car. It has correct 64 hubcaps, but does not have KO's. Now the car is ready to have the process of reassembly begin.

    Here's the problem - I paid WAY too much for the car - $30,000 - I knew nothing at the time. I've already spent over $50,000 on a car that I have learned is one of the "least desirable" C2's. It has an almost flawless, ALL original body, which is amazing, since this was anything but a babied car, and an interior that will need to be replaced. While the body looks amazing, for what it is, it will have to be painted. I do not own the fuel injection system (I do own the air cleaner in mint condition), but I can purchase it (very good quality) for about $7000.

    I'm sure that you get the point of my dilemma. I don't know what to do. I know that the car would be outstanding when it's finished, but this thing is going to hit $70,000 before it's done - and that's without fuel injection or KO's.

    I learned a LOT on this forum very soon AFTER buying the car, and almost immediately wanted to sell it, even at a 50% loss if necessary. My wife pressured me to keep it and go ALL the way with the restoration - guess it's usually the OTHER way around! The stress of this and the anger for being so stupid as to buy this car in the first place is intense. I feel like this is going to give me a nervous breakdown.

    After all this, I can say in complete honesty, I don't even want the car. I mean, there were so many things wrong with the car, to replace EVERYTHING, and by that I mean ALL the details with the ABSOLUTE parts (I'm talking fuses, harnesses, etc.) with the CORRECT parts would cost even more...I feel that for the money I will have spent, I should have a Bloomington gold car, but, despite the quality of the restorer's work, I don't think that this will be the case. I've stayed away from this board for months because I'm so angry about my situation, and because I now truly hate the car, and have lost "interest" in Corvettes. This was supposed to be a fabulous and fun experience. Instead, it is a heart breaking nightmare.

    I don't know if I should finish it, then hold on to it until I'm too old to drive (of course I won't drive it, since that would also lower the value), hoping to recover some of the cost, put it back together "as is" without body work, etc., and sell it at a loss, perhaps considerable. The one thing I can't do is to take the second option, and then just keep it and "enjoy it" as my wife now says. Enjoy it? I'd rather run it into a wall than keep a car that is still only partially done. At the moment, I can't even stand to go the shop and look at it. The restorer is now, perhaps rightly so, pressuring me to make a decision as to what to do...

    I know that I will not be treated like a fool here - I already know that I was a fool to have bought the car. I don't even expect to get "help" here. What I do hope is that those of you who have far greater knowledge and experience will give me your thoughts, and perhaps, some half-way decent options. I don't expect to break even, but maybe there is SOMETHING that I can do.

    I'm sorry that this was such a long post. Maybe other inexperienced readers and potential buyers can learn from it. Be VERY careful and KNOW what you are buying and getting involved with!
  • Eddie Lamb

    #2
    Forgot to add

    Sorry, I forgot to add that I really don't "have" the money for all this. I mean, I could "do" it, but it's very hard.

    I didn't want to appear like some rich guy who made a stupid choice and then wants others to make it all right for him.

    Thanks,

    Eddie

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    • Gary #41345

      #3
      Re: Forgot to add

      Seeing that it is a C2 (A highly sought after vintage) and from what I currently see in the marketplace, I would have to say from a retail standpoint your car completed is in the 50K-70K range. So there is some real time value here and if I was you I would talk to the restorer and be honest tell him what you stated here....if you don't have the money to complete the project tell him the costs have exceeded your expectations....and resources. Ask him to halt the project before incurring any more costs as you need time to access the whole situation to determine which course of action will best suit your current thoughts on this project. Don't hate the car it is not responsible for the decision to restore itself to this degree and your decision is not by far the worst idea you probably ever have had either. This car will someday find it's way to the 80K and up range and all will be well in mudville, you just have to stay the course and follow it though at a pace which you can handle. I have many friends who have gone over the edge and invested more into cars then they were worth at the time and they have all recouped their investments over a short period of time...the only ones that lost money were the ones that sold. Bottom line take some time to reaccess this project and look at what the midyear market has done over the last 2-3 years before you decide in which direction to head into the future. Remember some good friends of mine who went though the same gut whenching experience are today standing or sitting behind their car/s at area shows proud as peacocks while the masses "ooh" and "ahh" at their cars....and you should see the look on their faces now.

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      • William B.
        Very Frequent User
        • April 30, 1975
        • 939

        #4
        Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

        I have a 64 coupe that I have not run since 1978. Basic car 327/300hp 4 speed, needs complete restoration. Have a buyer wanting to pay me 25k, that is good money for a 64 needing a total restoration. 64,s aren't all that bad.

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        • G B.
          Expired
          • December 1, 1974
          • 1407

          #5
          "I don't even want the car"

          Stop now.

          Sell the car as-is for whatever you can get on eBay.

          Do not buy another used car as an "investment". Next time try stocks, bonds, or Federally insured Certificates of Deposit.

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          • Rick A.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • July 31, 2002
            • 2147

            #6
            Re: "I don't even want the car"

            have to agree with Jerry.

            once again, someone has been convinced by Barrett-Jackson or some other ilk that buying a car for an investment is a good thing.
            Rick Aleshire
            2016 Ebony C7R Z06 "ROSA"

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            • John R.
              Expired
              • September 30, 1999
              • 288

              #7
              Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

              Eddie, I can relate to your story. A few years back (about eight to be exact) I was looking for a C1 when a 67 coupe came up for sale at a charity auction I attended. I was familiar enough with C2's to determine that even though the car had a replacement 69 engine, it was an original big block coupe. When no one bid on the car, I placed the minimum bid of $20,000.00 and became the owner of a tired 67 with a leaking gas tank and fuel pump, engine with bent push rods and rusted out headers, butchered main wiring harness and worn out interior.

              Before deciding upon my goal for the car, I immediately invested in an engine rebuild and related work at the cost of about $5,000.00. After reinstalling the engine, it became apparent that it would be necessary to replace both the main and engine wiring harnesses for the car. At this point I had exceeded my budget (and resources) for the car and was totally discouraged at what I would have invested in the car and what it would be worth when it was finished (several experts, none from this board, told me that an NOM car was "undesirable").

              I almost sold the car at that point, However, my engine builder talked me into installing the new wiring harnesses myself. I had the car towed home and started work on the wiring in my spare time. Things started to change as I learned more about the car as I worked. I also became stumped on a couple of issues in the wiring and got immediate help from this board. It was great as there were always experts like Joe Lucia, Mike McCagh, J Ray and many others out there who always had the time to respond to my anxious calls for help. As a result, I joined the NCRS and ordered some of the publications to help me with the work I was doing. At this point I was hooked. The more I worked on the car myself, the more I enjoyed it!

              The corvette gods smiled on me and other things started to go in the right direction. I learned about researching the history of the car from this board and contacted the previous owner. That contact led to the discovery of the original block for the car that had been pulled and then set aside in a shop due to a crack in the lifter gallery from a broken part many years earlier. But the most rewarding part of the whole venture was how the car drove when all the initial work was finished. I can honestly say that I have totally recovered my investment in the car from the enjoyment I have received in driving it. I don't believe that there is any other car I have owned that has been as much fun to drive and receives so many admiring looks from others.

              Everyone knows what has happened to C2 prices since 1997. If I knew then what I know now, I would have started with a frame off restoration like you have. There was a post a few days ago to the effect that all of us have had to pay some form of tuition for our Corvette education. I hope you don't drop out before you have the opportunity to enjoy the results of your investment. Good luck!

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              • Mark #28455

                #8
                investment vs.love for the car

                If you bought it as an investment, then you're stuck. Nobody will pay top dollar for an unfinished car. You need to decide to either unload it as is and take the hit, or finish it completely and take it to auction with a reserve.

                On the other hand, think about why you really bought it! Did you always want a midyear? Then get the frame and bodywork done for now and put it away in the back corner of your garage to cool off for a few mos. or years and then go back and finish the drivetrain and interior when you feel like it! The greatest pleasures in life are worth waiting for.

                How do I know? I always wanted an L88 (ever since I was 14), but I wanted to restore it myself! I found an original car with pretty much all the original parts and tank sheet about 9 years ago and bought it for a good price! To be honest, I get as much of a kick looking at it in pieces as I do looking at my other cars assembled.

                Ask anyone here who has restored their own car and you'll get a similar story that took years in the making - but that's why they also hase that silly grin every time they get to drive their car - and won't likely ever sell it!

                DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT!

                Good luck,
                Mark

                P.S. no, to paraphrase Joe Lucia, the L88 is not for sale, don't bother to ask!

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                • Richard S.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • November 1, 1994
                  • 809

                  #9
                  Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

                  Eddie,
                  If you bought the Corvette as an investment and you are upset because you are losing money and you can't afford to lose that money or if you have a young family to raise or if you don't love this Corvette.....sell the car now. It's ONLY a car to you. If, on the other hand, you love Corvettes....especially the classic mid year Corvette....and it and the people you meet who share your Corvette interests will be an important part of your life.......finish the car and enjoy doing it and driving it. When it comes time to sell the Corvette....if that time isn't now......you will have enjoyed the mid year Corvette experience, which for most of us, is far more valuable than an investment. There is a sense of desperation in your post....On the positive side, as things change in your life nothing will prevent you from getting involved again at a later date. Be thankful for the experience you have gained so far.....it will come in handy as you travel along the trail. Good luck.....

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                  • Eddie Lamb

                    #10
                    Thanks and one other thing I left out

                    Thanks to all who have taken the time to read and reply to the message.

                    What I left out was that I bought the car out of DEEP passion and love for it. It seems as though I neglected to make that point in what I wrote.

                    Unfortunately where I live, I can't do the work myself, nor could I work at the level necessary, even if I had the space. I even have to, or will have to when it's finished, pay for the monthly storage at the restoration shop. I don't even have a garage.

                    I think that those guys who have the talent and time to do the work themselves are the lucky ones. They are the ones who truly forge the relationship with their car. When I bought this car, I really wasn't thinking about the investment value. I had never had, driven, or even ridden in ANY Corvette when I bought this one. For me, it was almost a mystical experience.

                    Thanks again to those who replied. Maybe I left out these important emotional facts, but it seems like a few guys thought I had only bought this for the money. Actually, the money had nothing to do with it.

                    I waited all my life to own and drive a car like this. Now, over a year later, I'm a lot poorer, a little wiser, and very discouraged. And you know, I only drove the thing 4 times, for a total of 58.4 miles before I put it in the shop...

                    Thanks again. I do appreciate your thoughts.

                    Eddie Lamb

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                    • don 42616

                      #11
                      Re: Thanks and one other thing I left out

                      Eddie, Everyone at some time in their lives buys stock,RE, or any investment & does not turn out as anticipated. At least you have something tangible that has $ value. Take time out. Let the emotion subside. Then later on make a decision. Good Luck, Don

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                      • Paul Reynolds

                        #12
                        Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

                        I bought my 64 back in 2001. It had a replacement engine, although the original shortblock came with the car. I too had always wanted one. Not to look at, but to drive. I drove around for a couple of years as it was but soon it was apparent that the car needed a little attention. Turned out I had a rusty frame that needed major repair. OK, I'm one of the lucky ones that can do my own repairs and I have a garage, but notwithstanding, it still took a bunch of $$$$ to get it back to a safe running condition. Finally got it back together last June and other than a couple of hiccups along the way, I'm driving it again.

                        It still needs a paint job and the interior is about shot, but I drive it just the same. My point is, the car does not have to be fully restored for you to enjoy driving it. As long as it's mechanically sound, drive it the way it is. Then, when finances permit, do the interior and the other cosmetic stuff.

                        If you bought it with the sole intention of building a show car, then as others have suggested, put it away for a while and wait for a more prosperous time to continue.

                        BTW, you don't need a garage. For the first 2 years I had mine, I didn't have a garage either. I put a car cover over it. Kept the rain and snow off it and it was none the worse for wear.

                        Just my 2 cents.

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                        • Eddie Lamb

                          #13
                          Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

                          Hi Paul and others!

                          I guess I was unclear again about the garage issue.

                          I live in a very heavily populated area and have only on street parking. This house has been my family's for 50 years, but we have no driveway, etc. We do have a nice border garden backyard, but again, nothing for a car.

                          While we love our neighborhood, and it is very residential, the Corvette would be gone by morning if it were on the street, or at least vandalized, not to mention violation of Haggerty insurance terms.

                          I didn't buy the car to do anything with it but drive it. When I found out that I had many major mechanical issues and what I REALLY had, well, it was too late, so I went fully into the project, as I've stated.

                          Thanks to you and all who have taken the time to respond.

                          By the way, to all other 64 owners, I was not intending to put down 64's. It's based on what I read on legitimate Corvette forums, etc. When I bought my car, I thought they were "all the same" essentially. As I said, it was the first time I had EVER been in or even around a classic Vette.

                          Eddie

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                          • Don Izzo

                            #14
                            Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

                            Sounds like he wants to sell it and is looking for offers! anyone?

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                            • Eddie Lamb

                              #15
                              Re: 1964 Fuelie Coupe Restoration Advice

                              Hi Don and all,

                              Yes I would sell it, and still feel torn by it.

                              The frame is now flawless, so the biggest job i over. Same goes for the original 375hp motor, minus fuel injection.

                              Motor goes back in the chassis this week.

                              Thanks for replying.

                              Eddie

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