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  • Russ U.
    Expired
    • April 1, 2004
    • 345

    C1 - FI Hot Starting Related to Thermostat?

    My 1959 FI low hp car was very hard to start when hot this summer (I live in SF area of CA). Sometimes I would have to rev the engine for a minute or more to avoid stalling. The car would not idle for more than a minute.

    Based on some advice found in the archives, I added inserted some foil between the intake manifold and the spider lines. This seemed to help. Reduced the required rev time to 45 seconds or so on a hot start.

    My 180 degree thermostat was acting funny, staying at 180 degrees most of the time. But it would frequently surge up to 210 and then back down to 180 for no apparet reason. I could be headed down hill at 60mph in mild weather and it would surge.

    On a lark, I replaced the 180 degree thermostat with a 160 degree thermostat I had on the shelf. The 160 degree thermostat stopped the surging problem, and holds the temp at 160 or less.

    But the 160 degree thermostat also apparently eliminated my hot starting problem. When I hot start now, the car is just slighty rough at idle for a few seconds. I can drive away in 10 to 15 seconds without any problem.

    The C1 Service Guide (ST-12) suggests using a 170 degree thermostat with permanent antifreeze, and a 160 degree thermostat with alcohol antifreeze. I have not found anything from back in the day recommending a 180 degree themostat.

    I know that 180 degree thermostats are the popular choice now - car runs better with less wear and tear on the engine. But, when combined with modern gas, are the 180 degree thermostats helping cause the hot starting problems that many FI owners are having?




    1959 Corvette
  • Dennis C.
    NCRS Past Judging Chairman
    • January 1, 1984
    • 2409

    #2
    Russ, You've figured out the best approach...

    ...all on your own as far as I'm concerned. Stay with what you've now got. Don't really think you can improve too much on that unless they begin formulating gasoline like they used to, and I doubt that is a possibility. When you stop for gas, raise your hood - pretend you're checking the oil - that is the most effective way I've discovered to prevent heat soak/hot start perculation embarasement problems.

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    • mike mccagh

      #3
      Re: Russ, You've figured out the best approach...

      you forgot top mention that you also stick your head under the open hood to prevent embarasement induced by the wally the walrus mustach. your bud, mikie

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      • G B.
        Expired
        • December 1, 1974
        • 1407

        #4
        Modern gasoline

        Percolation problems with '57 - '62 FI systems have increased dramatically in the last two years. I think refineries have been "dumping" pump gasoline with relatively low boiling temperatures on the public. In most states they can legally refine and sell gasoline with a 50% boil-off temp as low as 150 degrees!

        I posted a long-winded version of this story a while back that I'm not going to duplicate here. (Applause!) The bottom line fix is to cool off your spider or run pure racing gasoline.

        I think you've been very clever to try a 160 degree thermostat. That's a great way to cool off your spider. You might want to try racing gas now just to see if it will make a difference. I'm talking the 108 octane, $5+ a gallon stuff that has a 50% boil-off of 210 degrees. And please, no miracle additives or diluting the racing gas with regular to cheap out. Those tricks just don't work.

        You might even call the clown that rebuilt your injection to see if he has any ideas. You never know. He would probably tell you to up your nozzle pressure a little by turning your lean stop in one full turn.

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        • Roy B.
          Expired
          • February 1, 1975
          • 7044

          #5
          Re: Russ, You've figured out the best approach...

          Do you also have the heat shield gasket 1/8 between the intake manifold and the FI unit?? If not that's your problem.

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          • Dennis C.
            NCRS Past Judging Chairman
            • January 1, 1984
            • 2409

            #6
            The 1/8th" big gasket may help, but that will not

            ...solve your heat soak problems. Trust me. I've tried the big gasket, even added silver paint and then tried a foil product glued to the gasket. It made me sleep better at night for a while, but didn't cure anything I can attest to.
            As Jerry B. says, the $5.00 + gasoline will get the job done. Just don't stray too far from home... Best, Dennis

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            • Roy B.
              Expired
              • February 1, 1975
              • 7044

              #7
              Re: The 1/8th" big gasket may help, but that will

              First the gasket should be there (factory) along with the longer nozzles and re-just the power stops

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