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  • Jack H.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • April 1, 1990
    • 9893

    #1

    UNDERSTAND!

    This is like 'dancing'...it takes two to tango... We tend very quickly to lay 'blame' to the temp sender when we see inaccurate readings displayed on the dash. A little understanding goes a long way!

    First, there's early and late style temp gauges. Each was built WITHOUT the pointer needle installed and sent to final test/calibration. The early gauges were connected to a 'ding ding' box that emulated 'worst case' conditions (car in motion, engine about to overheat) and the final assy operator installed the pointer needle to a prescribed position (tolerance defined) at the TOP OF THE DIAL. Nobody gave a 'hoot' about a given gauge's mid-range accuracy profile (is 180F really 180F or might it be 191F...that was beyond the scope of the measuring system's accuracy profile).

    Second, later temp gauges were built and send for final test/cal with the pointer needle 'loosely' installed based on 'cold' conditions. At final test, each guage was connected to a 'ding ding' box and electrical power was applied to force a legitimate engine overheat condition. The assy operator looked at were the pointer needle was actually driven and and hand selected a precision wire wound calibration resistor to install as a 'shunt' onto the gauge to force it point to the proper place at the HIGH END of the dial. Again, nobody gave a 'hoot' about how accurate the gauge was in its mid-range.

    The big picture is the temp reporting system was sloppy and inaccurate UNLESS there was a bona fide high end of the dial engine overheating condition threatening! BUT, we continue to use a big hammer to try and FORCE these antique cars to act like today's Swiss watch instrumentation. Yes, it CAN be done, but you have to hand verify the temp gauge and then hand match it to a temp sender (there was a WIDE degree of variance on what was an 'acceptable' temp sender even back then).

    What you can't do is (1) presume your dash gauge is 100% correct and (2) go looking for that 'magic' temp sender that makes it accurate ALL the way across the dial from 100F to +240F. If you take that approach, you're banging your head against the wall because that wasn't the way things were back then!

    Last, understand if you can't say with absolute certainty that your temp gauge has NEVER been out of the instrument cluster since the car left the factory, AND it's never been electrically overstressed, then you HAVE to presume there's some degree of inaccuracy in the gauge and probably another degree of inaccuracy in the temp sender and you can't get from here to there without addressing both sides of the equation at the same time!

    I've yet to see a source in the instrument restoration business take a bold face claim that they 100% restore to factory original specs! What I'm getting at is this:

    There's no way you can re-silk screen the face of a temp guage without pulling the pointer needle. ONCE, you do that, kiss the factory original calibration of the guage bye bye!!! So, the fact that this/that guage went out to this/that restoration service for overhaul doesn't mean diddly in my book. The fact that you've acquired this/that temp sender and installed it is equally faulty logic.

    To get from here to there, you need to verify the gauge behaves as designed over a range of voltages and current flows AND the temp sender behaves as designed over a range of temperatures and equivalent resistance values. If you do one without the other, it's like dancing the Tango by yourself...
  • Robert M.
    Expired
    • May 1, 1999
    • 412

    #2
    Re: UNDERSTAND!

    OK Jack, I completely agree with your analysis but here is my problem. The temp gauge in my 65 L78 was right on, reading within 10 degrees of an IR gun reading. At cruise it normally read 180-190. I had to replace the sender this past week because I noticed it was leaking. The gauge now reads 230-240 but I confirmed the car is still running at 180-190. Do I buy a repro gauge matched to a new sending unit, or try to find a used or NOS unit the works with the original gauge?

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    • Barry K.
      Expired
      • March 1, 2004
      • 164

      #3
      Re: UNDERSTAND!

      Jack
      thank you for the detailed info, it was very informative.

      I understand what you are saying. No, I can't say the temp gauge has never been out of the car as i don't know that as i've only owned the car for a year and a half but I can say that with the old temp sender in the car last year a previously utilized mechanic did shoot the temp sender housing at one point with an IR temp gun and at normal operating temperture the gauge with the original temp sender unit was reading right on at about 180*-185*. One day the old temp sender unit decided to die and wouldn't read over approx 60* or so 9 at this point I can't remember the exact reading but it would never go over a temp reading of 60* or such - something very, very low so I knew it was completely wrong).
      It was at that point I installed the Wells TU-5 and since than the readings have been about 40* higher than normal and I've checked that with my IR temp gun.
      Even with the normal factory inaccuracies mine is reading way out of spec. While I understand and see the logic that the sender unit and the gauge should be calibrated together, I figure that finding an original sender unit which would at least have the proper factory specs on resistence should at least give me a more accurate reading than what i'm currently getting with the Well replacement sender unit.
      A 10-15* variance in the midrange temp readings would at least be preferable to a 40* variance that I currently have now.

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