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  • James A. Lloyd Jr.

    c3 "hot"?

    ok , got a 68 427/390 runs great at up to 55-60 mph temp is 180-190
    when i get on the interstate and keep up with traffic 65-75mph she's at 195-210 or over. fan ok, fan clutch ok, fairly new radiator ( larger than stock) put on by previeous owner. antifreeze and radiator clean.
    not original shroud. no plate on front to hamper air flow and the air dam on front is stiil there to direct air flow up into motor.
    new thermastate (165)

    what is a "normal" temp range for 427 (i know temps run high on these)
    and why hot at a higher speed

    at cruizing or ideling NO hot temps at all.

    could improving seal around shroud help? it is a narrow shroud due to bigger radiator. previous owner also installed a/c which i do not use , ( not even wired to fuse box)but cooler is in front of radiator, could that be the problem

    thanks in advance for your help
    GOD BLESS
  • Chuck R.
    Expired
    • April 30, 1999
    • 1434

    #2
    Re: Just guessing, but

    How old is the water pump and what size?

    It just may be a lower voluum style pump that can't handle the extra radiator capacity.

    You might also have collapsed or collapsing hoses.

    Hope it's a quick fix.

    Chuck

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    • James A. Lloyd Jr.

      #3
      Re: Just guessing, but

      original water pump, hoses check out ok top hose is new.

      what water pump should i use if that is the case

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      • Daniel S.
        Very Frequent User
        • February 1, 2000
        • 164

        #4
        Re: Just guessing, but

        First thing I would do is confirm that the temp guage readings are correct via an infrared therm.
        If the temps you indicated are actually correct, 210 is not all that high.

        Also, as indicated already, make sure rad hose is not collapsing.
        Shroud should be in place and sealed correctly so the incoming air will pass through the radiator not around it.

        It is possible that the "fairly new" radiator is not allowing the coolant to flow optimally when the vehicle is up to speed on the highway.
        I had a similiar problem with my '68 L71 and a new radiator cured it.

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        • Gordon Peterson #4961

          #5
          Re: Just guessing, but

          Good suggestion from Dan re. the infrared thermometer. Could be your gauge.

          Here are couple of things I've learned. Don't worry about it until it heads for the end of the scale - THAT indicates a problem. But 210? All day long - np. I used to worry when it hit 185, but turns out that was unrealistic.

          Here's something interesting - check your antifreeze ratio. Yeah yeah everyone recommends 50/50. But antifreeze is not the coolant here, water is. I changed my ratio to be 60/40, more distilled water than A/F. And this made a difference - it consistently runs cooler. And it's still good to -25 degrees (my garage occasionally dips into the +20's). If you live in a warmer climate, perhaps play with 70/30 (still good to -15)?

          Water Wetters? Hmmmm, IMHO the jury is still out on those. There are a lot of claims.

          Pete

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          • Duke W.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • January 1, 1993
            • 15610

            #6
            Re: c3 "hot"?

            Lack of cooling at speed is often due to radiator heat transfer problems - lack of sufficient radiator capacity (like an improper replacement or recore), or clogged tubes.

            Over the years traditional green antifreeze precipitates out a lot of salts that clog up the tubes and act as insulation, drastically reducing heat transfer performance. This can be cured (brass rediators) with mechanical cleaning known as a "rodout" or a recore if the tubes have pinhole leaks. You should always be sure than any recores have the same fins/inch count and core thickness as OE. Even if a core "fits" that's no guarantee that is has OE equivelant heat transfer performance. Once vintage Corvette-type aluminum radiators clog up, they are toast and must be replaced.

            You didn't mention radiator maintenance history or whether it is OE or a arecore of replacement.

            Duke

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            • Mark #28455

              #7
              are the foam seals still there?

              My BB cars run great at 190 to 210 degrees and never overheat - even in Missouri with temp over 100. The C3 is sensitive to missing seals between the radiator and support and the radiator and shroud. If thet're missing or not sealing well then replace them. (many vendors have them, I use the ones from Dr. Rebuild)

              Also, a thermostat doesn't change the maximum temp of the engine, that's a function of the engine heat production and the radiator heat dissipation. I would not recommend a 165 degree thermostat as it may not allow moisture and hydrocarbons from blowby to distill out of the oil. I would stick with the 180 or 195 as was original for your car for best operation.

              Make sure your radiator is full, I believe the 1968 BB did not have the overflow bottle, so if the radiator's 1/4 down, you lose 1/4 of the cooling capacity - even a little bit may make a difference.

              Hope this helps,
              Mark

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