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  • Mark Milner

    Kissimmee - Winter Regional

    I was going to join the thread further down, but as annoyed as several of us about this weekend, I thought it would be better to put it up top where all of NCRS can find it.

    The judging fields were great. Lot of people, lot of nice cars, some good weather, and so on.

    The bad part was the swap and car corral. When the auction left, the swap and car corral were not worth a $5 entry fee, plain and simple. Friends in both areas were not selling well at all. Saturday looked busy, but really wasn't. One friend described the people coming to look as cars as tire kickers. Very few cars sold.

    When the auction was at the same place, people looked in the auction, saw the car they wanted would be up for bid in the afternoon, and would stroll around the car corral to see what else was for sale. This made the car corral not worth the $100 fee. In fact, Florida NCRS should be ashamed at how they gouged the vendors especially with this event.

    Of course, in discussion with several NCRS members, gouging seems to be an NCRS trait.

    Yes, someone will say they had no control over the construction, but they either should have worked a deal for the use of the land this one last weekend (no construction took place all weekend) or moved. Having them separate sucks. And I talked to many vendors who do not plan to come back if it is split next year.
  • Donald M.
    Expired
    • December 1, 1984
    • 498

    #2
    Re: Kissimmee - Winter Regional

    I thought the weekend was pretty much "Great cars, Great Friends". Saw several old friends from N.E. Chapter and others. Cars for sale corral was very interesting with some,IMHO, good deals. But, was a flop from the sellers' standpoint, I guess. Swap meet was about what it is every year. Hey, I found most of the parts I needed, what more can be said? I'd like to see more vendors next year, not less.
    The real PIA was the "absent auction" way down the road about 11 miles. We started to drive down RT.192 east about 1:30 PM Sat., but traffic was bumper to bumper all the way, so we turned around and went back to the hotel. Too bad, as we always enjoy looking at the cars for auction, especially the old, rare Chevys like
    Z-11's and F.I. passenger cars. The location HAD to hurt the Mecom folks!
    Bring the auction back to Old Town in '07!
    Some highlights: fantastic weather, a Florida staple and very nice Flight cars as well as Pro-Team's final '67 ever made, the "as is" Sebring '57 and the car with the world's most expensive wheels. Well organized meet,too.

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    • Tom R.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • June 30, 1993
      • 4081

      #3
      Both events...losers!

      The two host organizations (FL NCRS & Mecum) couldn't get together so both suffered and I have no insights whatsoever so may be way off. And of course as loyal, supportive NCRS types...we reel from the consequences. Each event compliments the other whatever one's interest, buyer, seller or merely entertainment.
      Tom Russo

      78 SA NCRS 5 Star Bowtie
      78 Pace Car L82 M21
      00 MY/TR/Conv

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      • Mark Milner

        #4
        Re: Kissimmee - Winter Regional

        I found some good deals, too.

        However, many of the guys I talked to said they wouldn't be back unless FL NCRS fixed it.

        If that happens, we all lose. I think this is the only NCRS event with a swap meet, and it was one of the best in the country for years. People used to come from all over the country, and not just people with cars in the judging.

        I'll continue to come, be foolish not to with it in my backyard so to speak, but I can't see paying the high swap space fees in the first place and in the second place, definitely not that high with little traffic.

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        • Gary C.
          Administrator
          • October 1, 1982
          • 17549

          #5
          Mark Milner or whatever your real name is *NM*

          NCRS Texas Chapter
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          • Roy B.
            Expired
            • February 1, 1975
            • 7044

            #6
            Re: Kissimmee - Winter Regional MARK

            Here in sunny CA. never any NCRS swap meets, I'v taken parts to sell and no one looks, most guys go REPRO! or buyers go nuts on e-bay. I'v gotten three times what I wonted on e-bay then from NCRS guys

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            • Mark Milner

              #7
              Re: Kissimmee - Winter Regional MARK

              Roy, the NCRS swap meet has always been great at the Winter Regional. I remember it well at Cypress and at Disney. I've met people there from all over the country. I always thought it was well-run. I believe Tyler Townsley was in charge of it and has done a good job.

              However, I think the price has been too high. The problem is they try to recoup all of their expenses off of the vendors and allow all the spectators to come in free. If set up with even a minimal entry fee, like $3, there would be significant income to offset the expenses of the event.

              The main problem was letting the auction go to a different site. This created competition between the two events. People had to chose, and those wanting to buy cars went to the auction. Something should have been done to either secure the former auction site for this one weekend (there was no construction going on the whole time we were there) or a new site found.

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              • Mark Milner

                #8
                What's the matter Gary, hit a nerve? *NM*

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                • Gary C.
                  Administrator
                  • October 1, 1982
                  • 17549

                  #9
                  Mark I'm not afraid to sign my name like u r *NM*

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                  • Mark Milner

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                    • Gary C.
                      Administrator
                      • October 1, 1982
                      • 17549

                      #11
                      No burr, am real person & a NCRS member

                      You're not a NCRS member as you've eluded to in your last post. What a shame. All that energy could be put to constructive use in the NCRS organization. I am a firm believer that in order to criticize one must belong and be involved with the organization or function that a person wants to criticize, get involved and work hard to effect change. I take issue with the fact that you throw alot of stones at an organization you do not belong to!

                      Gary
                      ....
                      P.S. you can check my profile and do searches/inquiries and you will see I am who I say I am
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                      • Howard K.
                        Expired
                        • November 11, 2011
                        • 111

                        #12
                        Re: Both events...losers!

                        Loved the show, loved the auction, had a great time. The auction was way too big to have at Old Town, it was at a great location. Vendors not selling had nothing to do with the location of the auction. They need to check their prices on their parts. I drove 1,000 miles to buy parts, decided to come back home and buy new---but had a great time in FL.

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                        • Edward M.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • November 1, 1985
                          • 1916

                          #13
                          Re: Kissimmee - Winter Regional MARK

                          The possibility of charging admission to the public for access to the swap meet has been discussed many times. I recall being part of that discussion at Cypress in 1990. The vendors made it clear at that time, if admission is charged, the vendors would not return. A free to the public swap meet is one of the main attractions of the Winter Regional meet.

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                          • Mark #28455

                            #14
                            our world is changing

                            Remember 10 years ago at Carlisle or Bloomington? Lots of vendors, lots of regular people, all selling lots of parts at reasonable prices? Not any more - everyone sells their stuff on e-bay or sees those prices and now they want $100 for a tired oil filler cap! How about an overbored 2 bolt main 1969 427 pass car block with two REALLY thin sleeves (about .060 wall thickness) for $1000?

                            We are victims of the restored car market's success! I keep hoping investors will quit buying Corvettes so I can buy parts for reasonable prices again.

                            Mark

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                            • mike cobine

                              #15
                              Re: Kissimmee - Winter Regional MARK

                              That is interesting, Ed. Almost every swap I ever attended charges an admission charge to the public. Usually it is a trivial amount, like $5 or something, but some higher.

                              Bloomington charged as far back as I can remember, but I also remember if you got there the right time or parked the right spot, you got in without a charge. And since many of these would be the same vendors, your comments are very interesting.

                              Of course my experience with NCRS over the last 25 years is that they wouldn't charge $5 a head to get in, they'd try to pay for the whole thing with the first 100 visitors and charge $30 or $40 to get in. And they would not have reduced the vendor fees.

                              In that case, I can see why the vendors would say no to an admission charge -- no one would come. A lose/lose situation.

                              I've attended and sold at other swaps and none except Bloomington and Daytona are as high as the Winter Regional. But instead of 2000 people, you get 40,000 walking through. Florida Swaps has 15x30 space for $25 and the second space is another $5 so you get 30x30 or 15x60 for $30.


                              They charge to get in, like $5 each a day. And people pack the place.

                              If FL NCRS couldn't pack Old Town, something is wrong.

                              Like publicity? I never heard one radio spot. I never saw one paper flyer. Nothing. Maybe they are all ex-SCCA members - Secret Car Club of America.

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