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Re: NOS shock washers on ebay
kelly-----
There is nothing that I know of which could be construed as "fraudulent" regarding these shock washer auction items. The seller merely has shock washers up for auction and can list them for whatever starting price he wishes. He is NOT obligated to inform potential buyers that they are still available from GM for a certain price. In fact, he'd be a complete fool if he did so. It's the responsibility of BUYERS to be aware of these issues. NO seller is required to sell GM items for GM list price. In fact, many GM dealers sell parts for their own "list" price which, in some cases, may be considerably higher than the actual GM list (just like no dealer is required to sell a vehicle for at or below GM MSRP).
If a buyer bids up these washers, pays a foolish price, and is happy with his purchase, so be it.In Appreciation of John Hinckley -
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This is an instance of where you better be knowledgeable about what you're buying. It happens everyday on ebabe and guys will pay 3, 4, 5 times what a part is worth because of some magic buzzwords such as Rare, NOS, Factory GM, etc. I wouldn't consider it fraud myself but as in everything, buyer beware.
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Super rare ! should go up to $100.00 each or more ( i just love it)Comment
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The seller is a frequent poster here and someone who is more than fair in his dealings. He isn't ripping anyone off, people are paying too much as usual.
Before calling someone a crook, you should know who is around you listening.Comment
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There are many that make extra money doing exactly what this person is doing...sometimes alot of knowledge or homework goes into the trade of reselling..want to make yourself an extra 10,000-20,000 or 30,000 a year? take a lesson from this guy/girl....takes no college degree...and you don't have to be a rocket scientist either.Comment
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Interesting--original poster (bent out of shape by this "fraud") was winning bidder on ebay on a pair of these.Comment
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What is the part number from GM. I need 2 for my 66. Thanks.Comment
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Unfortunately, the original post has been deleted so I'm not 100% sure of the auction in question. I agree with Joe that the seller has no obligation to state whether or not the parts are still available. Without reading the listing, I can't comment on it specifically.
However, I will comment on some of the listings that I do see regularly on ebay. When sellers list items that are currently available from GM, and then describe them as rare, NOS, mint condition, still in original GM box, etc., then I do believe it is dishonest. All of these keywords/phrases are used by a seller solely for the purpose of misleading and taking advantage of less knowledgeable bidders. They are trying to create the false impression that the part is no longer available, and therefore the part is far more valuable than it really is. A part that is still being produced cannot by definition be "rare". Calling such a part "rare" is dishonest. NOS is defined on this website as follows: "NOS refers to New Old Stock. These are parts that have been laying around in their original boxes since who knows when." Calling a currently available part NOS is dishonest because there is nothing "old" about it. "Mint condition" implies the part is old as a brand new part is in mint condition by definition. "Still in the original GM box" again implies the part is old, as a new part is in it's original box by definition.
These sellers carefully wordsmith their ads to create a false impression. Perhaps they can argue that the information is technically accurate, but the intent is to create a false impression and mislead. Growing up, my mother would have called this a half truth. Kind of like the time I broke the lamp, and then said, "Oh no mother, I didn't break that lamp today." I just failed to mention the fact that I broke it the previous day. Technically it was an accurate statement, but it was still a lie. Pointing out the technicality didn't save me from getting a whoppin' for lying either! In my opinion, someone is lying when they are trying to deceive someone, even if the statement is technically accurate. This may not constitute the legal definition of fraud, but it is dishonest.
Having said all that. I have no problem with sellers that list currently available GM parts as "new, OEM, GM, or correct (assuming it is correct)", and they list it at or below MSRP. All of those keywords are honest, accurate, and are in no way misleading. If a listing with that description gets bid up over GM list, then that is the fault of the bidders and not the seller.
Just my humble opinion.Comment
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Re: NOS shock washers on ebay
Bill------
GM #3790342In Appreciation of John HinckleyComment
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Re: NOS shock washers on ebay *NM*
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"NOS refers to New Old Stock. These are parts that have been laying around in their original boxes since who knows when." Calling a currently available part NOS is dishonest because there is nothing "old" about it.
Well now, which is it? Are they old or not?
I think the ad is straightforward and above board. It isn't mine nor any I am connected to. NOS is like you said, old parts that are new (never used) and laying around forever.
Would a radiator bought from Chevy in 1963 and sitting in a box until 1972 not be NOS in 1972 because you could still buy the correct replacement from Chevy?
Actually, all you have to do is search for shock washers Corvette and then click on Completed Items to find this ad. You will also find several others, at much higher prices. Those others do say they are "super rare" etc.Comment
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Don; I agree with you 100%
Don,
I think if more people had mothers like yours and mine this world would be a whole lot better off.
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Mark,
I did search ebay current and completed listings prior to my post. I found the listing and assumed it was the one being discussed. However, I thought it was best to speak in general terms.
Old is a relative term and the arguement becomes one of semantics. It is in this realm of ambiquity where some sellers profit at the expense of others. Regardless, a newly manufactured part is just a new part. There is nothing old about it. Therefore listing a new part as "New Old Stock" implies it is something that it is not. I don't think it makes it fraudulent, but misleading none the less.
The term "rare" or "super rare" is also a relative term. However, I don't see how anyone can honestly call a part rare, that can be ordered in any quantity desired. Want a hundred of them? No problem. Want thousand of them? Might take a while, but no problem. Write the check and get as many as you want. This part is not rare and I don't see how anyone could call it rare with a straight face. Calling the part "super rare" is just not an honest description.
It was mentioned that the original poster was a previous high bidder. He shells out $50 for part that he believed was "old" and "rare" as described. How do you think he felt when he found out the part is still available for less than $5.00? Foolish? Maybe a little. Duped? Taken advantage of? Absolutely and rightfully so in my opinion. How do you think he feels about NCRS, with all of the responses supporting the seller?
My message to Kelly is to hang in there. We have all been there. I still have a few parts lying around that were acquired under similar circumstances and for larger $$$. Relatively speaking a $50 mistake is a small price for a valuable lesson. Do your homework before bidding/purchasing. This board is a great source of information. Post questions and learn to use the archives. In you are not an NCRS member, then join and become involved. Knowledge is power. It won't take long before you are armed with the knowledge that will immunize you against misleading ads.
This is all just my opinion, which along with $12 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.Comment
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The part of his ebay listing that bothered me were the words "SUPER RARE" in the description. The "NOS" is a little irritating also but many people don't even know exactly what NOS means. The "super rare" would indicate intent to misrepresent, at least to me. I found the link, listed below.
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