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  • Dick W.
    Former NCRS Director Region IV
    • June 30, 1985
    • 10483

    GM to Drop the GTO

    Quoted from Automotive News today:
    DETROIT -- General Motors has told Pontiac dealers that it will discontinue the GTO coupe at the end of this model year. GM will make the last deliveries of the vehicle to dealers by the end of September, sources close to Pontiac say.

    GM will produce 10,000 to 12,000 more GTOs before dropping the nameplate, one source close to the situation says. Last year, Pontiac sold 11,590 GTOs compared to 2004 when it sold 13,569. That's a 14.6 percent drop.

    When Pontiac launched the GTO in 2003, it projected 18,000 annual sales. The vehicle was criticized for bland styling, and some fans of the original GTO complained that it lacked nostalgic styling cues.

    "For the remaining life of the car, it simply wasn't worth the engineering expense or effort to re-certify it as an '07 for a very limited run, when we could continue selling them as '06s," says a source close to GM who is familiar with the program.

    The GTO is built on a rear-wheel drive architecture from GM's Holden division in Australia. The present model is going out of production as GM constructs the new Zeta RWD architecture, says the source. There is no replacement coupe planned at this time and because of the strong Australian and weak U.S. dollar, the GTO had to be priced thousands over where GM originally wanted it -- in the mid-twenties, the source says. "It never did as much volume as we had hoped," the source says.

    The GTO suggested retail price starts at $31,990, including shipping. One GM source says, "the 2005 and 2006 were pretty well sold out, and sales were especially strong in areas of GM weakness, like Southern California. It's a shame it has to go -- for now."

    Another source says that GM has indicated that it would like to have another vehicle in that "space" in the future
    Dick Whittington
  • Mark B.
    Expired
    • February 1, 2004
    • 138

    #2
    Re: GM to Drop the GTO

    Either I'm incredibly out of touch or just plain stupid, but how can a company such as GM come out with the really cool Pontiac Solstice and then drop the ball on such a recognizable brand name as the GTO. I owned a 67 GTO and absolutely loved it!!! The lines were great, the power respectable and the name typified the 60's. Had the rear window not leaked so bad, I would have kept it. But, the new GTO is such a "blandmobile" that I don't even get excited when I look at it. Too bad.

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    • Donald M.
      Expired
      • December 1, 1984
      • 498

      #3
      Re: GM to Drop the GTO

      Anyone taking bets as to how many '05, '06 GTOs will be at Barrett-Jackson next year? "Last of the Breed","Rare", "only a few thousand made", "modern classic" blah, blah.....

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      • Duke W.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 1, 1993
        • 15610

        #4
        Re: GM to Drop the GTO

        Since the Holden platform was off-the-shelf it was relatively easy and cheap to homologate it to US specs and offer a niche market product.

        Unfortunately, the styling of the car did not match the name and heritage, which probably lost a lot of sales. If it had some heritage styling cues. like the new Mustang, I'm sure it would have been a much better seller, but that would have cost more than GM was willing to spend at the time.

        GM took a chance and, at best, broke even. That's business.

        If the Zeta RWD platform comes to fruition (last I heard development has been suspended), no doubt any vintage muscle or pony cars names that are resurrected will have the styling cues to go with the name.

        Duke

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        • Ken Edmunds

          #5
          Re: GM to Drop the GTO

          Because GM took a cool name and applied it to a ho-hum styled grocery getter. Yes, I know that is what the original GTO was but that was an annomaly. We did know any better. Those were the only fast affordable cars available. The choices today for a fast good looking car are abundant. 300 HP SUVs, cool looking HEMI powered MOPARs, Mustangs....GM blew it!

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          • Jack U.
            Expired
            • November 1, 2003
            • 212

            #6
            Re: GM to Drop the GTO

            To me, it's a Grand Am with an LS1 (and later LS2) engine. It was a joke from the start. They tried to revive the "muscle car" icon and failed. No styling at all.

            To compare it to my cousin's new 1968 GTO when I was 11 years old is like "night and day". It was the first muscle car I ever rode in and the benchmark that I compare all other fast street cars to.

            May it Rest in Peace.

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43193

              #7
              Re: GM to Drop the GTO

              Jack-----

              Have no fear; it will be back. At least, it will be back if GM survives long enough to bring it back in a new "incarnation".
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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              • Daniel S.
                Very Frequent User
                • February 1, 2000
                • 164

                #8
                Re: GM to Drop the GTO

                Look for the return of the Camaro in the near future.

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                • KEN BUTCHER

                  #9
                  Re: who's running GM

                  The GTO turned out to be an import wanna be ( very sad for a domestic muscle car )
                  And if you saw the pictures of the new camaro, who's running GM ? That will be another poorly designed vehicle, a lose of millions, and another laughing stock in the auto industry.

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                  • Joe L.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • February 1, 1988
                    • 43193

                    #10
                    Re: GM to Drop the GTO

                    Dan------

                    .....assuming, of course, that GM is around long enough for it to happen.

                    I have mixed emotions regarding the GTO. I think that it was pretty badly maligned and it was not as bad as it's cracked up to be. Yes, it did look a lot like foreign cars and little like the original GTO. However, foreign cars seems to sell pretty well these days and the GTO's styling was very contemporary. So, while it was not retro, at all, it was very contemporary.

                    The GTO does have a lot of assets that are underappreciated. It is a rear wheel drive vehicle which is where real performance cars need to be. It has V-8 power at a power level far beyond what the original GTO's had. It has a choice of a 6 speed manual or 4 speed automatic, either of which is far superior to their counterparts in days of old. It performs significantly better than it's forebearer. It's quite comfortable. For all its power, it gets a LOT better fuel mileage than the original edition.

                    The negatives? Well, it costs about $5,000 too much, it's about 500 pounds to heavy, and the front suspension/steering is kind of "clunky" (I was surprised to experience this when I drove one).

                    Otherwise, I think it's a great car. Show me a rear drive, foreign car with a V-8 engine that you can buy for $30,000? You can buy an American-made Mustang with V-8 engine and rear drive for a little bit less than that (maybe; if you can buy one at MSRP). However, it will have 100 less horsepower and a lot less torque than the GTO with LS2.
                    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                    • Peter L.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • May 31, 1983
                      • 1930

                      #11
                      Re: who's running GM

                      Is it "running GM" or "running from GM." ?????????????????

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                      • Duke W.
                        Beyond Control Poster
                        • January 1, 1993
                        • 15610

                        #12
                        Re: GM to Drop the GTO

                        I've never driven one, but "on paper" the GTO has pretty good specs. The engine/drivetrain is great, no argument, and the suspension is a good modern architecture four-wheel independent. GM has never been known for great steering feel, and the various C5/6 models are testament to that, and, yeah, the GTO is a "little heavy", which is a valid criticism of most new cars except, maybe, Corvette.

                        But, if the car doesn't LOOK right, the tech specs are just something that car geeks like us can wax eloquently about. They don't mean squat to potential buyers if the "look" isn't there!

                        Duke

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                        • Joe L.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • February 1, 1988
                          • 43193

                          #13
                          Re: GM to Drop the GTO

                          Duke-----

                          Yes, but the foreign cars that look a lot like the GTO they can't get enough of. And, none of them have V-8 engines.
                          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                          • lyndon sharpton

                            #14
                            Re: GM to Drop the GTO

                            yeah, but I bet the foregin cars are a lot cheeper.

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                            • Mark #44888

                              #15
                              Re: GM to Drop the GTO

                              I can't believe they sold any of these to begin with. Talk about mundane styling - styling is too strong of a word for this car. They ruined the GTO heritage with this one, just like they'll ruin the Camaro with that ugly thing coming out next year. GM= Grossly Mundane

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