I have seen pre-production pictures that show stripe paint and emblems on '67 big block hoods. I am sure they were were originally planned to be on all factory built cars. Noland Adams states that the production painting process had not been perfected by the start of the run. Also some early striped cars had irregular spacing along the edges maybe due to some hand masking. I can see on the underside of the hood what appears to be remnants of the emblem holes. There are faint rings around the filled holes which appear to have been made by speed nuts that hold the emblems on. The holes are filled by a smooth round flush plug with no evidence of grinding or sanding. Does anyone know when in the body building process that the emblem holes were drilled or punched? Was it before or after paint? If the stripe painting process was not perfected and a hood already had emblems installed and the production decision was to have both stripe and emblems or neither, could the hood have been pulled, holes filled, repainted, and reinstalled? Maybe I am just fishing but remember this car was made early on the second day of production when everybody is just getting organized. Thanks for any input. Steve
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My guess is ALL holes were drilled prior to paint. Only holes that were "drilled" as part of a screw installation would be after. Your "smooth plug" is probably filler material installed from the painted side, sanded and painted over. I would also bet that the 427 emblems were the last things placed on the hood (after striping) when other trim parts such as the nose emblem that is on top of the stripe on the valance were installed. My $.02 -
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The emblem holes were fixture-drilled in the raw fiberglass hood in the Body Shop, and the emblems (and front trim molding) were installed (after paint) in the Trim Line.Comment
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John,I have only been a NCRS member since July of '05 and have just got around to participating in this Technical Discussion Board.I have seen some of your answers to questions and see that you are quite knowledgeable. I would like to know if you could help me further. I am assuming the emblems installed on the Trim Line would be on the Body Assembly Line before body drop. Is this correct? If so does this senario seem possible? The hood should have been striped in the Paint Line but was not due to a problem with the system. Then the body progressed on to trim and since holes were present emblems were installed. Then after body drop an inspection at the end of the line produced an order to fill the emblem holes because of no stripe, repaint the hood and send the car on its way. Does this seem too farfetched? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks SteveComment
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Sounds like a stretch to me. Why not just paint it? I know you think it is original, but I seriously doubt it. Why not post a few detailed pictures here and let us see the details, blackout treatment etc.Comment
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Steve -
If there had been a problem in the Paint Shop that resulted in the hood not being masked and striped, it would have been done in Final Paint Repair after the car came off the line; there would have been no reason to fill the emblem holes and re-paint the hood, as there was no such configuration as an un-striped big-block hood with no emblems.Comment
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John, I very much appreciate your input on this subject. I take it you do not agree with Noland Adams in regards to his statement on page 384 of his book, "The Complete Restoration & Technical Guide-Vol.2" I do not know how he arrived at this conclusion but I quote,"The hood painting procedure was not perfected by the beginning of production, so hood stripes were not painted on early big-block hoods. The first '67 to report a hood stripe noted unusual spacing between the stripes, as though narrow masking tape had been used to space the stripes.(example vin.863) The 1967 Corvette big-block hood was distinctive in another way. For the first time, engine-related emblems were installed on the hood:"427"designated the engine size. However, early '67s with 427 engines and big-block hoods did not have emblems.(examples vins.863& 986) Emblems that were added later are obviously crooked or misaligned. Most hoods on 1967 Corvettes with 427 engines with serial numbers under 1000 did not have hood stripes or 427 emblems." (unquote) Now what I get from this is that example 863 had an unusally spaced stripe and no emblems and 986 had no emblems with no mention of the stripe either way. He does not give an example vin of a car with neither stripe or emblems but the first sentence in his quote states it quite fact-like. I am assuming he has some other evidence to support his conclussion. My car is vin. 108. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks SteveComment
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Steve -
I'm quite familiar with the passage you noted, and don't dispute it, nor can I document it one way or the other. However, assuming your car might be one he mentions that didn't get a hood stripe, if the hood got drilled in the Body Shop for the "427" emblems, as a Production guy, I can assure you that the emblems would have been installed and the car would have been shipped that way. The plant wouldn't have spent the time, money and manpower to individually fill and finish eighteen holes and then re-paint the hood without the stripe, knowing those holes would all show through the paint eventually.Comment
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Thanks for your response John. After reading the passage again, Noland does not ever say that every time the car did not have a stripe, it also did not have emblems. You are saying that because I have filled holes the hood left the factory with emblems but not necessarily a stripe. But since someone over the years filled the holes and repainted the hood we will really never know whether it had a stripe or not. If I have this correct and want to have the car flight judged what would you suggest I do to the hood? How much would be deducted if I did nothing? If the hood is judged to be repainted but the rest of the car original, would it still qualify for Star judging at the National Convention where just the paint is concerned? Thanks, SteveComment
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There is the possibility that you could find out if the hood had a stripe on it or not. Its a long shot but, just be cause the holes were filled in and the hood was repainted, it does not necessary mean the painter did the job by the numbers. A lot of painters don't take the original paint off. They just scuff it up, then reprime, or just shoot it. If you are going to redrill the holes or repaint the hood, slowly resand the area and see whats underneath.
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Steve -
For Flight judging, you'll need a stripe and the emblems, as that's the documented typical factory production configuration for a big-block car in the JG, UNLESS you have factory documentation that your car was built with the holes, no stripe, and then had the holes filled and the hood repainted.
The JG's have been developed over the last 30 years based in large part on observations of known-original cars; I'd guess no one has ever observed a known-original early BB car with no stripe and no emblems, or there would be a "some very early cars have been observed with no stripe or emblems" factory anomaly notation in the JG.
You might want to bounce your issue off Keith Biggers, the '67 National Team Leader, and get his opinion ahead of time in order to avoid major disappointment on the judging field; his contact information is on page three of the "Restorer" and under the "contacts" button at the top of the page.Comment
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