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Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag
possibly a genuine tag recuperated from a junker?
possibly a genuine tag recuperated from a junker?
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Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag
I don't see the issue here. Ken says he has one approved by the head of the Florida DMV. If so, he will have papers where they signed off to have it attached. Heck, he had to have approval just to get the thing made. You don't just order one from Eckler's or Mid America and put it on. So that part is really a non-issue.
The issue I see is that 5 or 10 years from now, if Ken sells his car. The next owner will probably get the paperwork on the replacement VIN tag, but will the next? So two or three owners away, someone brings the car for judging.
With no paperwork, is NCRS going to shoot the guy down?
If so, doesn't that seem ridiculous given that NCRS (did, may have, should have, etc.) judged this car at an earlier date (2006, 2007, etc) with the full knowledge it was approved by Florida DMV?
Given that VIN tags are unlike trim tags (Federal offense to mess with them), if one is on the car, it is probably approved if it crossed a state line in its ownership since many states check the VIN before issuing a title.
And unlike a trim tag, how does a reproduction VIN affect value? It doesn't become rare, like some one-off color interior or special ECL code.
It all seems odd in light of an organization that once stated restamping an engine to duplicate the original for restoration was acceptable, while that is quite illegal in some states. I notice this is no longer listed as an example of restoration in the Judging Awards page https://www.ncrs.org/awards.htmlComment
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Florida is an odd state
You can actually register a car without ever having the VIN tag looked at by anyone except the corner notary public!
MarkComment
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Illinois is an odd state too
In Illinois I have never had anyone look at the VIN tag of any of my cars as part of the registration process.TerryComment
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Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag
Burden of proof is on the owner in cases like these. The 65 fuel car was presented to NCRS in unrestored state, reviewed and signed off by NCRS, the National Judging Chairman and the Mid Year Team Leaders. A letter was generated and provided to the owner which he still has incidentally describing what we felt the original configuration to be based on our examination. NCRS reviewed and signed of on its original colors and trim options before it was restored while in unrestored state the owner agreed not to put a reproduction trim tag on the car. We have also judged a 67 Big block car without a trim tag, it was destroyed in a fire, the owner had the tank sheet, protect-o-plate and many other supporting documents indicating how the car was originally equipped it was also judged without a reproduction trim tag and the owner has agreed not to put one on the car. In unusual circumstances, when other real documentation exists there are ways to accomplish the task of having a car flight Judged without deception and fraud.
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PA too. *NM*
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Re: Florida is an odd state
Bring one in from out of state and you will have it checked. It won't matter if you owned the car for 20 years, bring it in and it gets checked.
Of course, once upon a time, they charged you $400 simply for the privilege of bringing a car to Florida, not including taxes, registeration, etc.Comment
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Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag
In unusual circumstances, when other real documentation exists there are ways to accomplish the task of having a car flight Judged without deception and fraud.
I don't want to start a fight, but are you implying that using a reproduction tag (Trim or VIN) is deception and fraud?
How is the use of these any different than the use of dozens of other reproduction parts used in a restoration, for replacing parts destroyed by time, use, previous owners, and so on?Comment
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Like this one
Would you rather have this? or a nice new one that is clear to read that matches what hte car is.
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they didn't check mine last year
Just moved to Orlando recently, last year when I transferred the titles there were two ways to do it. You could drive the car to a not so good part of Kissimmee as I did with my regular vehicles or you could get a VIN verification form and have any notary public look at the car and verify the VIN as I did for the Corvettes (no way they were going to sit unattended in the parking lot in Kissimmee for about an hour). Everything went fine.
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Funny how all the 1957's were red
One of the "joys" of owning a pre-trim tag car They change colors all the time and nobody seems to care as long as it ends up an original Corvette color. Heck, as long as you find an "original" fuelie block, you can even swap that too (no need to commit fraud by changing the vin stamping). In addition, almost nobody has seen an original 50 year old interior and even if they have, it wouldn't be original as it is now worn, sagging, etc so everybody thinks the A_ K____ interiors were factory installed. Finally, those cars weren't "blessed" with a lot of options, miles of vacuum hoses, stupid IRS with about 20 u-joints............
Just venting about what a pain it can be to restore a later car . No way I would ever try to restore a C5 or C6 .
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Re: Top Flight possible with replacement trim tag
There are no points assigned to the trim tag, so the purpose of putting a reproduction tag on the car is?
However, if you bring a car to the judging field with a reproduction trim tag and it is detected you will get a Second Flight award, at best.
If you have a problem with the rules as they exist I suggst you contact the Team Leader in the respective year of concern. You might also consider attending the Team Leader meeting held annually in Florida and request some time to discuss your issues prior to the meeting so that it might be included on the agenda.
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