Judgeing White Post Restorations

[Norm C.]

Per many suggestions here at NCRS, I am having White Post rebuild my Master Cylinder for a 72. This is the original cylinder, "PG" stamp and all and came un-painted. In White Post's order form they describe a "baked two part epoxy finish" that looks like natural raw material" JUDGES: Is there point deductions for this finish? If so which has the less point deduction... a MC that has the White Post finish or true natural but will not be perfect, as this is a less than 500mi/yr driver? 2. Is the point deduction higher for a replacement cap or a re-finished original cap that shows some use where the bales slide on & off? Thanks judges for your assistance?

[Kent K.]

Re: Judgeing White Post Restorations

If you request it during your initial order, White Post will omit the paint. Several NCRS members have posted this information since they wish to paint their own MC after WP returns them.
Kent #6201

[Donald L.]

Re: Judgeing White Post Restorations

Not a judge but I know if yuu mention to Billy its a NCRS job he will do it to specs.

[Norm C.]

Judgeing White Post Restorations

Thank you Donald & Kent for the rapid response!! I'm aware that we can order it without paint....and was going to do so when I read that they do this two part "natural" finish, and as Kent said WP will do it to NCRS specs.... but which is the preferred NCRS route???... realizing of course that short of the original in its original state there will be some point deductions. Differently stated, is the WP paint job as close to NCRS specs as you're gonna get either way? Also any thoughts on the MC cap question??? thanks in advance to anyone who can help... especially if any of the NCRS judges have an input!!!!!

[Bernard M.]

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Norm, Finish is one of the five aspects of originality that is considered when judging a part, along with configuration, completeness, date and installation. If the finish is easily detected as incorrect, you can expect to lose as much as 20% of the originality points assigned to the item based on finish alone. Condition is more subjective. It is judged AFTER originality is established and often has fewer total points assigned to it. Choose your poison; the choice is yours. Personally, for my car, I prefer an original as possible part. For me that sometimes means that it may not be in perfect condition. Regards, Bernie Myers

[Gary Schisler]

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Good comments. In addition, I have yet to see any paint from any manufacturer that does not look like paint. No matter how well it is applied! This goes for any natural cast part that includes half shafts, exhaust manifolds etc.

My personal preference is to take minor deductions, usuall VERY minor, on condition, versus a much more serious deduction for painted items.

Gary

[Terry M.]

[Norm C.]

Re: Judging Master Cylinder

Gary, Benard & Terry and others.....You just made a huge case for why this site is so useful & important to the preservation of Corvettes.... Thank you so much for your input!!!!! Exactly what I was searching for!!!

Last question,,,, I have a pending order in at NCRS for the 70-72 TIM/JM. Unfortunately they are out of the third edition and won't release the new 4th edition until after the national convention in August. Would someone who has the 3rd edition please provide what the TIM is calling for the orginal appearance for the 72 MC with Power Brakes. Thanks again all who have helped with this!!!!

[Gary Schisler]

Re: Judging Master Cylinder

From the 1970-72 JM third edition:
The master cylinder is painted semi-flat black. ...most 1972 Corvettes produced in calendar year 1971, the flat at the front has PG stamped in it for power brake units and DC for manual brake units. On some cars produced in calendar year 1972, MK is stamped into power brake units and HC or ZC for manual brake units. ...Later 1972 cars (s/n 25000 and 26000) have no stamping on the front, rather the two letter code TG is stamped on the front line fitting surface with the date code.

It makes no differentiation between PB and manual brakes for the painting and does say that the machined area where the stamping goes is a natural finish.
Gary

[Patrick H.]

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I'm sure mine used to be black. I can see black in some locations, but you can see what it looks like now:

[Terry M.]

Brake fluid is the worlds best paint remover *NM*

[Harmon C.]

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Norm
Their are some replacement caps that will judge better than your scratched original. The refinish on your cap will probably be off and the scratches will still be their.

Lyle

[Norm C.]

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Thanks Lyle........ I sent off the MC with the cap. White Post charges $20 to refinish, so I thought it was worth the comparison. Since I intended to buy a "new" one to compare, do you or anyone else have suggestions on which suppliers provide the highest quality / most correct caps?

PS... Thanks to so many who made this task so much easier!!!! Now does anyone want to come and remove the booster for me???? What a PIA!!!!