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How would an original GM part with defects be compaired with a flawless reproduction part on the NCRS judging field? Are points lost or gained by either? Don #31753
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Re: Judging Original vs Reproduction Parts
Assuming the reproduction part was "accurately" reproduced, that is without deviation from the original it would recieve no deduction at all (in fact, you would not be able to distinguish it from NOS). The "genuine" original would recieve some "condition" deduction. -
Re: Judging Original vs Reproduction Parts
Unfortunately MOST reproduction parts have visual differences;ei. finish,configuration,date stamp,etc. The part is judged accordingly by its deviation from the original piece, and also by the condition of it.
Texas Chapter NCRSComment
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Re: Judging Original vs Reproduction Parts
The judging standard is that the part APPEARS to be the original component supplied with the car when new. If the part IS the original part, only condition points may be deducted. If the part is a reproduction part APPEARING to be original, only condition points are assessed. If the reproduction part deviates from the appearance of an original, then it is subject to deduction.
A significant problem exists with so called NOS parts which almost invariably are NORS parts. New Old REPLACEMENT parts from GM. Many of these "NORS" components do not APPEAR as the original part and therefore are subject to deduction. Reproduction items are just as desirable, in many instances, as are NORS items. Of course you can't beat the good old stuff in yellow and black boxes. Some of our "friends" at swap meets will sell you parts in yellow and black boxes but will keep the boxes. I wonder why.
Dale Pearman (Varooom)Comment
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I see it a little different....
If the 'defects' on the GM part were there at manufacture (poor plating, poor fit, whatever.....) then this may be considered typical of production quality. Since we judge based on the originality and condition of the car at the end of the assembly line, then there should be NO deduction for this part. If the 'defects' are due to something happening AFTER manufacturing, that's a different case.
If the flawless reproduction is just that, 'perfect', then this would not represent what GM put on the cars at assembly, so there could be a deduction for condition.
Don't forget, that an over-restored car is just as 'deductible' as an under restored car!
Mike
NCRS Quebec chapterComment
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Re: I see it a little different....
A lot of GM NORS garbage looks nothing like the production parts. Case in point, the NORS steering wheels in C1. They came only in black and had a reversed machining pattern. They are NOT like the production wheel. They STINK, are wrong, and thats that! The End! I don't care if GM makes them or not! They don't appear as originals and they get an originality deduction. There's a BUNCH of so called NOS stuff out there that's really NORS and falls flat on its face! Also, look at the console plate holding the clock and heater controls on C1's. All the parts houses are still getting rid of GM NORS plates with the horizontal brushing across the face. The originals didn't have this brushing. Judges routinely deduct for this infraction thinking the plate is a reproduction when it's really a GM NORS item. I'll be glad when they are all gone and Trim Parts makes a good repro. Mabye it will APPEAR as the originals.
Varooom! (gasp!)Comment
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Re: I see it a little different....
Hi Mike - I think what Dale is getting at applies to a generation gap between today's GM NORS and what they had produced in the C-1 era. As an example, I've seen recent C-1 exhaust manifolds bought directly from today's GM supply. These current manifolds had SO much flashing on them, they were no where close to the manifolds cast in C-1 times. When some of the guys attempted to grind this flashing off, it only made it more obvious. Either way, today's C-1 GM available exhaust manifolds can't even pass the "appearance of original" test, unless perhaps a guy did a LOT of grinding followed by a lot of low pressure, coarse blasting to cover up the grinding marks. Cheers, Dick EatonComment
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The original post made no mention of the parts being NOS or NORS. It said simply original parts. I am fully aware of how NOS or NORS stuff can be different from what was originally on the car. My local GM dealer cringes when I walk in the door to order stuff.
I took the question at face value, and offered an opinion from a different point of view. Many people, usually new to the hobby, assume that the whole NCRS idea is to make a car 'perfect', as opposed to 'fresh off the production line'.
How do you explain to people that a car with overspray on the manifold, poorly fitting doors, orange peeled paint and crooked bumpers, is more 'correct' than the glitzy over-restored or modified show car next to it?
Mike
Quebec NCRS ChapterComment
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