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  • Don Izzo

    C1 danger warning!

    last week I posted a question about what I thought was a leaking NOS heater core in my C1. I remember reading in a prior thread about some parts houses suppling plumbing "street els" for use as the 90 degree bent pipe for the return line from the core, but thought I had gotten the correct part from a local Corvette supply company here in the north east.

    This weekend I got under the passenger side and looked over all of the corbin clamps and found that what I had was not a bad core but a leak at one of the clamps. So I went out yesterday morning and bought all new worm screw clamps and relegated the corbin clamps to the tool box. My mistake was in leaving the one corbin clamp on the hose that comes into the passenger compartment on the back side of the 90 degree elbow. I should mention that I changed out the original radiator cap for a modern 14 lbs type.

    I took the car out for a test ride and found no leaks. On the return trip about a mile from home I pulled the heater cable to allow water into the core. Got home and laid under the package tray to inspect the core and al the connections and found no more leaks. Great I leaned over the shifter and turned off the key, got out and walked two or three steps away from the car when I heard a loud pop, turned to find what looked like 2 gallons of antifreeze pouring into the car from the heater, flooding my newly installed rugs.

    after vacuming up the water and allowing the unit to cool, Here's what I found. The 90 degree street elbow had popped out of the heater hose leaving the corbin clamp on the hose. Had I still been inspecting the clamps when this happened I surely would have been blinded and severly scalded by the 200 degree antifreeze. Had it happened when my honey was riding with me the night before I am sure here legs would have been severly scalded.

    I am sorry if this starts to sound like a rant. But I am angry. Angry with the parts houses that sell these crappy incorrect elbows and don't tell the unsuspecting users of the inherent danges of installing them with corbin clamps. I have read thread this week about soldering a lip around the opening or gluing the hose to the pipe. No one warned about the effects of a failure of this type. Well, I took steps to insure this will never happen again! Had I or my wife been severly injured, I can assure you all that I would have taken action against the supply house that sold this bogus part, but that would have been small consolation compared to the potention injury.

    Beware, If you have this set-up get it out now!

    Don
  • Allen W.
    Expired
    • September 30, 2000
    • 106

    #2
    Re: C1 danger warning!

    I read this post as well as the previous one. I faced a very similar experience 6 monts or so ago. I resolved it by taking that copper elbow out of the system. I went to an auto parts store and looked for a hose the size dia. of the heater hose but with a molded 90 degree bend. Any length. Upon finding one I just trimed each end to fit into place of the removed 2 hoses. Sorry I don't remember the hose number or application. I just grabbed it off the peg. Glad you are OK. My car didn't have a working heater or hose. Therefore I just trusted the corvette parts house to sell me the correct elbow. I know better now.

    Allen

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    • Dennis C.
      NCRS Past Judging Chairman
      • January 1, 1984
      • 2409

      #3
      Don, What Year Is Your Car? *NM*

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      • John M.
        Expired
        • January 1, 1999
        • 1553

        #4
        Re: C1 danger warning!

        Don,

        I can't tell you how many cars have blown this elbow off under pressure, or leaked all over the carpet. The cheap street L that some vendors sell, should not be used on these cars. I know that Paragon sells the correct elbow with the rolled beads on both ends, but I know that a lot of vendors do not. To add insult to injury, the suppliers that sell the street L, get several dollars for something that you can buy for a few cents at a local plumbing supply! If you put the clamp right behind the rolled bead on each end, there is no way that these are going to leak, even with Corbin clamps!

        Regards, John McGraw

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        • Don Izzo

          #5
          Re: C1 danger warning!

          John, you are so right! the plumbers elbow can be bought at Home Depot for .99 cents but I paid $9.00 from a corvette house thinking it was the correct part. Not having had one I didn't know it was not correct or same to use. I now know it is NOT SAFE. I just called my brother who has a 58 and told him to check this fitting on his car and get it out if it's not correct before it causes the scalding one of his kids! The parts houses should have their feet held to the fire for selling this b/s elbow. Or maybe have their wifes and kids forced to ride around in a car with this fitting installed on a hot summer afternoon!
          Don

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          • Don Izzo

            #6
            Re: Don, What Year Is Your Car?

            Dennis, the car is a 60

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            • Mike B.
              Expired
              • November 1, 2004
              • 389

              #7
              Re: C1 danger warning!

              Don,

              Sorry to hear about your misfortune but consider yourself lucky. There is nothing I hate more than smelling and feeling antifreeze on carpets as it never seems to dry.

              Paragon does sell the correct fitting with the rolled edges. I just bought one and installed it last weekend.

              I like the idea of the pre-molded hose elbow as a good alternative.

              Mike

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              • Dennis C.
                NCRS Past Judging Chairman
                • January 1, 1984
                • 2409

                #8
                Does your car specify...

                a 14# cap for the cooling system?

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                • Tom B.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • March 1, 1978
                  • 720

                  #9
                  Re: C1 danger warning!

                  That is some bad luck. Thankfully you were out of the car. That could also have scalded a passenger's legs.

                  I suggest putting that 14# cap in the tool box with the corbin clamps and installing a correct 7# cap and the correct elbow from Paragon. Your aftermarket elbow may have held if the system wasn't over pressured. I have had the original elbow and corbin clamps on my '59 since I bought it in 1969. Never had a problem with a 7# cap on the system.

                  Tom

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                  • John M.
                    Expired
                    • January 1, 1999
                    • 1553

                    #10
                    Re: C1 danger warning!

                    I agree with Tom, your radiator was not designed for 14 lbs of pressure and you could damage the tanks by using one.

                    Regards, John McGraw

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                    • Don Izzo

                      #11
                      Re: Does your car specify...

                      No I believe I got the recommendation from someone on this board.

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                      • Don Izzo

                        #12
                        Re: C1 danger warning!

                        John someone on this site recommended the 12-14# cap when I had an overheating problem. The radiator is a new Dewitts aluminum repro of the copper/brass unit and has performed flawlessly for the past year and a half. Don't believe the pressure of 12-14 lbs. is why the fitting popped off rather It was because there was no "collar" or rolled bead on either end of the street elbow sold to me by the parts dealer as the correct part for this application. Period! This part should be pulled off the shelves of all parts dealers everywhere before someone is seriously injured. I guess all those pro street and modified Vettes on the road are running 7# radiator caps?

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                        • John M.
                          Expired
                          • January 1, 1999
                          • 1553

                          #13
                          Re: C1 danger warning!

                          Don,
                          You will get no argument from me about the reason that your hose failed, I have been banging that same drum for years! I would however, check with Tom and see if his radiator will take the additional pressure. These old big tank designs can generate a lot of strain on the tanks due to the large surface area. I would hate to see you damage an expensive radiator. The additional pressure will raise the boil-over temp, but if the temp never climbs over 200, then there is probably no advantage in using one. My old 60 would go clear to 220 with a 7 pound cap and not boil over. I have seen tank seams fail on brass tank radiators with a 15 pound cap, but I can't comment on one of Tom's aluminum ones, but I would sure ask him the question. I run a 15 pound cap on my 59 resto-rod, but I am using an side-tank aluminum replacement radiator with very small tanks and is all TIG welded, and the manufacturer reccomends a 15 pound cap.

                          Regards, John McGraw

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