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  • Charles M.
    Expired
    • March 1, 2002
    • 155

    chalk lettering on hinge pillars

    Would the word AIR you see on both hinge pillars confirm this car had A/C originally?


    Chuck
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  • Mike M.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1974
    • 8365

    #2
    Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

    AIR wasn't the A/C abbreviation chevy used but rather the calif smog designation. the roadster body in the backround has a 63/64 grill(can't see good enough to rule out a 65) but anyway, the 63 thru 65 models weren't equipped with smog, only some of the 66's first had california smog mandation. smog was K-19 option and A/C was rpo C-60. doubt your car had air cond oringianlly just based on the chalk marks. there are other things to inspect for the presence of C-60. check out the assembly manual(AIM) available from the NCRS store if you don't have one. good luck, mike

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    • Charles M.
      Expired
      • March 1, 2002
      • 155

      #3
      Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

      Mike .. It's my 64 roadster. Like you said, 64's didn't have A.I.R. smog, so maybe the marks refer to C60. The car came to me with A/C, all but the condenser coil was present. Left side battery and alternator, STV, etc. I'm not up to speed on the differences in the air box for C60 and non-C60 cars. Is the firewall different? Maybe the body assemblty line needed to know early on that the car was a C60 option. ??????

      Chuck

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      • Mike M.
        NCRS Past President
        • May 31, 1974
        • 8365

        #4
        Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

        i'd check out the pass side air vent area as the c-60's differ from non-c-60's in this area and few people who convert non-c60 to c-60 realize the diffeerences.mike

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        • Charles M.
          Expired
          • March 1, 2002
          • 155

          #5
          Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

          If the differences are not obvious would you summerize or explain them?

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          • Harry Sadlock

            #6
            Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

            Chuck, why not post a link to all of the photos so far.

            Harry

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            • Charles M.
              Expired
              • March 1, 2002
              • 155

              #7
              Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

              Sure. www.pbase.com/valrico4 This isn't exactly ALL of the pictures but it's all I have in my online galery.

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              • John H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1997
                • 16513

                #8
                Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

                There were no differences in the birdcage for an A/C car, but they may have marked it as a "clue" for the guys who loaded/bonded the dash/firewall subassembly in the next main line operation after loading the birdcage to the underbody, as the dash assembly WAS different for an A/C car. See Section C60, Sheets D1 and D2 for the primary differences (dash cutouts, stud brackets, etc.).

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                • Charles M.
                  Expired
                  • March 1, 2002
                  • 155

                  #9
                  Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

                  John .. was the firewall different?

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                  • Charles M.
                    Expired
                    • March 1, 2002
                    • 155

                    #10
                    Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

                    None of the AIM's I own have a C60 section. ??????

                    Chuck

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                    • John H.
                      Beyond Control Poster
                      • December 1, 1997
                      • 16513

                      #11
                      Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

                      Chuck -

                      A/C cars started with the same dash/firewall as heater cars, but the firewall was reworked to enlarge the heater opening for the evaporator core, and to enlarge the blower opening to accommodate the A/C adapter assembly that was later installed in the passenger side air plenum (behind the kickpad).

                      Sounds like you need a newer/complete assembly manual - the C60 section is about 35 pages, with hundreds of C60-unique parts. You can order one right here from the on-line store.

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                      • Charles M.
                        Expired
                        • March 1, 2002
                        • 155

                        #12
                        Re: chalk lettering on hinge pillars

                        OK John, I'll buy one more AIM, now I'll have an even dozen of them. Remember when I went on a mission to find a truly clear copy? I don't remember if I bought one from here. Just ordered it.

                        THANKS!

                        Chuck

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                        • Jack H.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • April 1, 1990
                          • 9906

                          #13
                          What about the trim tag?

                          If this car was built after 3/25/64, wouldn't the ECL portion of the trim code on the trim tag document the presense/absense of C60 air conditioning? Looking at the trim tag and providing the trim code (e.g. 490JP) we should be able to decode the option content based on the tables in the Sinor/Grenning book...

                          The drawback would be if the car was early (start of production to 3/24/64). Then, the ECL portion of the trim code is only going to distinguish between manual and automatic trans + standard or power windows...

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                          • Wayne M.
                            Expired
                            • March 1, 1980
                            • 6414

                            #14
                            It's C60 -- the proof is in your pics

                            I can see at least 6 A/C or '65 L78-only firewall battery cable clips, and the large, uniquely-shaped cut-out for blower motor/evaporator; all point to an originally air conditioned car.

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                            • Charles M.
                              Expired
                              • March 1, 2002
                              • 155

                              #15
                              Re: What about the trim tag?

                              It is a January 23rd car. Here is a couple shots of the VIN.
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