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  • Lee S.
    Very Frequent User
    • September 30, 2002
    • 156

    C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

    Eureka! My air conditioning works!

    I am posting this note to close out the numerous postings I have made in this tech discussion archive over the past two years. Copied far below is my last posting from July 3, 2006 that briefly describes the symptoms.

    Please note my comments in the next to last paragraph regarding the idler pulley. I replaced the idler pulley this past Sunday as it was becoming increasingly more noisey. It sounded just like the AC Compressor noise (Duh!). When I finished the job, I reconnected the AC Compressor, and it worked! It always did but sounded like a screaming banshee. Let me tell you, replacing this pulley on a C3 Big Block with Power Steering, A.I.R., and other associated belts is a real P.I.T.A. It was worth the aggravation.

    It is also important to note that the day before was spent on first getting ambient air temperature to blow through the HVAC system. I had previously added insulation in the floor and this helped reduce heat transferred through the floor. However, I drove the car down to Woodard Avenue last week with the weather in the high nineties and just about baked to death after the car heated up. We stopped for an ice cream cone. Big mistake! Hoat soak into the HVAC system made the problem worse.

    To achieve ambient air temperature, a few key repairs were done.

    1) The hood weatherstrip did not seal against the opening allowing underhood heated air to get sucked into the plenum. This is easily tested by closing the hood on a few pieces of paper. If they pull right out... you have a problem. As a temporary repair, I placed some Home Depot 1/4 inch foam weatherstrip in the hood opening. A permanent repair is to install a new weatherstrip and properly adjust the hood.

    2) Adjust the heater mode door to ensure it closes all of the way. This is pretty simple once you remove the RS of the dash. Mine was staying open about 20% of the way.

    3) Ensure the fresh air plenum flapper valve is opening and closing properly. More information can be found at this site:


    4) Seal EVERY seam in the plenum fresh air duct. This is accessed behind the passenger kick panel. Again, more information on this at the above site.

    5) Installed hot water shut-off valves in the heater hoses.

    6) Previously replaced blower motor with alternative design described in above site.

    Last, sit back and drive comfortably with or without the air on. Ambient air blows through the system and my feet don't bake anymore.

    ************************************

    MESSAGE FROM JULY 3, 2006:
    I am very interested to hear how this turns out. I have a similar problem on a 1974 Big Block. There are various postings in the archives.

    The short version is the system was open when I purchased the car several years ago. I purchased a rebuilt Delco A6 Compressor and a rebuilt VIR. The system was cleaned out (by local Corvette oriented Chevrolet Dealer) and charged with R12.

    What turned out to be occasional belt squeal is now a major belt squeal beginning at 2,000 RPM. I have followed many suggestions but, at this time I have removed the belt. I still have the original compressor and VIR. I'm considering sending these out for as rebuild and starting all over.

    I have also noticed some continuing squeal without the AC belt. I have tried to localize the noise without success by removing other belts one at a time... AIR Pump, Alternator, Power Steering.

    As you can imagine there is a lot of noise in the engine compartment on a big block car. The clutch fan makes one helluva roar. I suspect the idler pulley may be bad as a result of over torque from the ac belt. I have a new one to install... maybe this week.

    I don't think this will solve the ac problem and have reconciled myself to another summer without AC.
  • Patrick H.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • December 1, 1989
    • 11608

    #2
    Re: C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

    Lee,

    Which blower motor did you use? Any chance you have an application or part number?

    So which is worse - replacing a positive battery cable, or the idler pulley?

    Patrick
    Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
    71 "deer modified" coupe
    72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
    2008 coupe
    Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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    • Lee S.
      Very Frequent User
      • September 30, 2002
      • 156

      #3
      Re: C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

      The positive battery cable is absolutely the worst!

      Wilcox p/n 52466047. The fan itself is 1 inch deeper and has a different pitch to the blades. You must make a spacer of at least 3/4" - 7/8" thickness and use longer bolts to attach it to the housing. I used the old motor and made a cardboard template and cut the spacer from high density plastic with a band saw and router. In retrospect, I think it would have been easier to use a piece of oak or marine plywood.

      For Flight Judging, I'll swap the old blower motor back in.

      Take a look at the web site I put in the prior posting. It is whole story on how its done. I'm Lee74C3 quoted in the story. It's the name I use at the Corvette Action Center.

      Again, I'd put a thousand idler pullys in before I'd do one positive battery cable.

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      • Patrick H.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • December 1, 1989
        • 11608

        #4
        Re: C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

        For Flight Judging, I assume then it's possible to see the new fan in place?
        Or you're worried about the function on the Ops check?

        When I re-do the deer 71, I'd like to do these modifications while I'm in there.

        Patrick
        Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
        71 "deer modified" coupe
        72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
        2008 coupe
        Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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        • Harmon C.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • August 31, 1994
          • 3228

          #5
          Re: C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

          Patrick

          I don't think very many judges would miss a 1" spacer under the blower motor.

          Lyle
          Lyle

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          • Patrick H.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • December 1, 1989
            • 11608

            #6
            Re: C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

            Lyle,

            I figured out later, after I posted, where the spacer went.
            But it's be fun to see how far one could go with it.

            Patrick
            Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
            71 "deer modified" coupe
            72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
            2008 coupe
            Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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            • Lee S.
              Very Frequent User
              • September 30, 2002
              • 156

              #7
              Re: C3 AC Compressor Squeal - FIXED!

              It was overlooked at a chapter meet two years ago. You really have to look close. I don't think this is on anybody's mind as a suspicious area to check. If I get the car judged again, I'll swap it out. It's not a big deal to change.

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