Stuff to Bond Hood--FOR ALL WHO RESPONDED BELOW

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  • Joe C.
    Expired
    • September 1, 1999
    • 4601

    #1

    Stuff to Bond Hood--FOR ALL WHO RESPONDED BELOW

    From what I have been able to ascertain, all hoods were bonded to the inner frame with ordinary bonding adhesive, except for 1965-66, when the "gumdrop adhesive" was used. I can attest to the "gumdrop", because, when I restored my 1965, the hood was completely delaminated from the inner, and a sticky orange compound had to be scraped and washed out of all of the bonding tabs. Once clean, I bonded the tabs with bonding adhesive, which held fast, but marred the paint. This leads to the question; "Why was "gumdrop" adhesive used for 1965-66, instead of bonding adhesive? Was it because of the problem that I have described? The 63-64 hoods had configurations that would serve to hide any "bond line readout", and so the flatter hoods used for 1965 required a different adhesive. Maybe I am giving the General too much credit here. Maybe it was some sort of economic consideration.........I don't know. The fact is, that GM reverted to using bonding adhesive for 1967 because many of the hoods (1965-66) bonded with the "gumdrop" have had multiple failed bonds.

    A few words for some who responded to my post below:

    TRACY......Dum-dum, which can be bought as 3M Strip Caulk, and other brands, has no shear strength, nor tensile strength. It was used as a general purpose gap filler for many midyear Corvette applications, but NOT as an adhesive.

    DAVE.....3M windshield adhesive is a urethane based, VERY quick setting adhesive/sealant which sells for about $16.00/tube, and must be applied with a caulking gun. It has excellent strength and flexability. I am not certain as to its heat resistance, but is my second choice as a solution for my application. It is an entirely different material from the 3M Strip Caulk.

    WAYNE/TONY......the MOST important consideration, other than shear strength, is finding a material that will not bleed through!!! Also must have decent resistance to cracking and drying out from the engine's heat.

    KENT.......is there a valid reason WHY you state that the hood must not be bonded to the skin, but must flex. I think that you are on the right track, but why do you say this?

    Gerry.......I don't know how an old Queens guy like you can be so sharp, but the stuff that you used is this Brooklyn guy's first choice as a solution to my problem. It is a polyurethane based adhesive/caulk, and relatively cheap, at about 5 bucks/tube. It has a medium-slow cure time. I used the stuff to seal EVERY crevice/seam on my Corvette's birdcage before body reassembly, in lieu of the dum-dum shown in the AIM. Also used it between all of the "steels" riveted to the floorpan. I also used it to fill other voids where no caulk was called for. I figure that if my car was in NOLA last year, it would have floated better than a Boston Whaler! My question to you is, WHAT MADE YOU USE THIS PRODUCT, AND NOT THE OBVIOUS BONDING ADHESIVE. Also, you should remove the screwdriver which somebody jammed into your right front fender?

    Regards to all,
    Joe
  • Gerard F.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 1, 2004
    • 3803

    #2
    Re: Stuff to Bond Hood--FOR ALL WHO RESPONDED BELO

    Joe,

    Honest, the stuff I took out from the hood to hood frame seams on my very late 67 S/B, was the gum drop stuff and not bonding adhesive. It had been cooked over the years, and cracked and fell out easily. It was brown-yellow inside and had been blacked out on the outside.

    However, I have been told that my hood is a 66 hood because of the hole in the hood frame for the front emblem. I know it is the original one to the car, but maybe they were scratching for hoods at the end of production at AO Smith, and used a leftover 66 hood.

    In picking the roofing stuff, I did a lot of research on various sealants, adhesives. I figured that the underside of the hood takes about the same heat/cold exposure as a fiberglass shingle roof. So I found the stuff that holds shingles and flashing down, yet stays flexible, in the same and maybe worst extremes of heat, cold and exposure. The stuff in the photo is actually heat rated.

    As far as being a Queens boy, you would never know it now as I've been in CA too long. Except for a few "werds" that come out once in a while. Like, gotta go get an "earl" change. Just ask my "goilfriend" (the wife)

    While I'm on a roll, I just have to tell you this story:

    I was in the Navy in the late 60's stationed near Norfolk, Va. It was pretty convenient for me to occasionally take a weekend trip home to Queens, NY.
    After about a year down in Virginia, I started to pick up a little southern t**** in my speech.

    Went home for some big family affair, and will never forget the expression from my brother after listening to me: "Whadda yew from, South Brooklyn?"

    Jerry Fuccillo
    #42179
    Jerry Fuccillo
    1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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    • Gerard F.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • July 1, 2004
      • 3803

      #3
      And the Screwdriver

      is in the hole in the hood brace where it should be, for anyone working under the hood.

      Whatsamaterferu

      Jerry Fuccillo
      #42179
      Jerry Fuccillo
      1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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      • Joe C.
        Expired
        • September 1, 1999
        • 4601

        #4
        Re: And the Screwdriver

        Jerry,

        Ya probly f#$^&%-up wat ya brudda sed.........wat he sed wuz: "south OF Brooklyn". Wassamattafayu!

        I know, just funnin' about the screwdriver, because it looks like it's jammed into the fender to someone who doesn't know about the safety hole. Hey, why not get one of those fancy-shmancy SS pins and key fobs from LICS?

        Joe

        PS: Thanks for the feedback re: the polyurethane sealer.......it's great stuff. I assume that it hasn't contaminated the composite and bled through to the paint. Damn 'glass is so sensitive to contaminants!

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        • John H.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • December 1, 1997
          • 16513

          #5
          Re: Stuff to Bond Hood--FOR ALL WHO RESPONDED BELO

          Jerry -

          '67 SB hoods had the access holes in the inner panel that were also in '66 hoods for the emblem nuts; it would have cost money to rework the inner panel molds to remove the access holes, so they didn't bother. They just did it to confuse us 40 years later.

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