Judging Question

[Hank Rossi]

My brother and I are preparing a 1962 Corvette for Flight Judging. The car has radial tires. I am asuming that we will take the originality deduction for the tires, and if the wheels, weights, hubcaps are correct they are judged separately. Can anything disqualify the whole car instead of just the part being judged?

Thanks

[Terry M.]

Re: Judging Question

There is a standard deduct for radials. I don't know how that is handled for C1s, but someone else will.

As to what can disqualify the whole car -- the VIN or serial number -- missing or fake can do it. In that case the car is not judged. A state affixed VIN or serial number is OK, but it is best to bring the applicable paperwork if that is the situation.

Also leaving the event early -- before the cars are released by the judging chairman -- can get the whole car disqualified and also earn one a 13-month suspension from participation in NCRS judging. I suspect outrageous behavior or (dare I mention it?) a violation of the alcohol policy would also disqualify the car and probably earn the offender a time out as well. I think the alcohol policy is or has been just revised, and I am not sure exactly what the penalty is for a violation. I probably should not have gone there, but I am trying to figure out what would get the whole car disqualified. It really does take a lot to do that. We basically want to judge the cars -- it is what this club is all about.

[Jack H.]

Re: Judging Question

The only thing(s) that can disqualify an NCRS member's Corvette from being judged are:

(1) Letting your membership lapse between registering the car for judging and bringing it to the meet.

(2) Providing a Corvette that lacks a VIN tag (either factory original or a valid state-issued replacement).

(3) Failing to have proof of insurance/proof of ownership.

All other factors simply cost points during the judging process.

[Gary C.]

Obtain Judging Manual & Judging Sheets

Judging Manual can be purchased from the NCRS Store. Judging Sheets can be requested from the National Judging Chairman - Roy Sinor. Both of these items are necessary in preparing for and understanding the NCRS Judging system. Good luck, Gary....

[John H.]

Re: Obtain Judging Manual & Judging Sheets

Also recommend purchase of the "Corvette Judging Reference Manual" (the "blue book"), which explains the judging process in detail; the "Owner's Advisory" section is particularly useful if you haven't had a car judged before.

[Harmon C.]

One more way

If you bring a car that has a different horsepower like a small block from the factory and now has a big block it won't be judged.
Lyle

[Philip C.]

Re: One more way Why not

Hi Lyle that doesnt seem right what does the engine have to do with anything? A wrong motor is a wrong motor big or small you lose points I would think, is this writen somewhere? I never knew that or heard of it before. interesting Thanks Phil 8063

[Lyle24961]

Re: One more way Why not

It may be called forgery and is not restoration. Example a 435 HP engine in a body that came from the factory as a small block.

Lyle

[Michael W.]

Re: One more way Why not

You're right it's called forgery and is a dishonest thing to do, but I've never heard of judging being stopped prematurely if a car is deemed to have been a victim of a sex change.

Is this something new?

[Harmon C.]

Re: One more way Why not

Mike
Their may be a fine line where judging may go on but many times if it is a suprise to a new owner he will just withdraw the entry due to his heart can't take it over the money he payed for a counterfit.
Lyle

[John H.]

Re: One more way Why not

See the "Counterfeits" paragraph of the "Owner's Advisory" section on page 6 of the Judging Reference Manual:

"Discovery of counterfeits may subject owner to disqualification. In some cases, it might be in the best interest of the owner to withdraw his car from judging."

[Paul M. Berard]

Re: One more way Why not

OK, what if my car came from the factory with a 340HP 327, but now has a 250HP 327. Would it be disqualified?

[Harmon C.]

Re: One more way Why not

If their is no way to tell it is not as delivered no one would ask. If the owner started showing original paperwork that the horsepower has been changed up or down it would be a problem as the cars horsepower must be as delivered as John quoted the rule in a above post.

Lyle

[Paul M. Berard]

Re: One more way Why not

The tachometer is for a 340/360HP. The engine assembly code translates to a 250HP. So, the judges could tell that way. They would know either the tachometer or engine was wrong.

[Harmon C.]

Re: One more way Why not

Paul
If the engine judges liked the pad they might not even look at the tackometer. The interior judges could check if the red line was correct but it could slip by them also.

Lyle