Looking 4 help finding 1107242 starter!!

[Joe L.]

Re: If you have an agreeable NAPA dealer

Verne------

The problem with this strategy is that most, if not all, commercial rebuilders tear down starters to their individual components, then build starters of whatever configurations they need from the assorted pieces.

The starter frames (i.e. the part with the "numbers" and "dates" on it) are interchangeable for a huge number of different starters. There's no more reason to expect that a frame with the "242" (or, any other number) will be built up into a starter for an original "242" application than for almost any other configuration/application. The starter frame is among the most "generic" of all the starter components.

So, while one might find a "242" starter this way, I'd bet that you'd have to look through quite a few units to find one. Just about any GM starter application rebuilder's part number would be as good as any other to check out, though.

One thing that would narrow it down somewhat is that the "242" was a non-HD starter. So, applications using a HD starter would not be a good candidate to look for a "242". The frames are slightly different for HD and non-HD starters. While they can be converted, I don't think that many rebuilders would go to the trouble unless they were short of the required cores.

[Timothy B.]

Re: Looking 4 help finding 1107242 starter!!

John,

The 7242 starter for my November built 63 coupe is dated K (October) 62 and the solenoid is part # 9910 and has a black bakelite cap. I believe the solenoid was not painted black but not 100% sure.

[John D.]

Re: Looking 4 help finding 1107242 starter!!

Tim, Thanks for the very impressive info on the 9910 solenoid on your '63. You are one of a few that agrees with what I have heard from RJ. I never doubted his word from the beginning of our conversations a long time ago about the 9910.How we ever got the 9919 on the 63's I will never know because basically I am new to the nitty gritty of 63's. I have owned three of them but never really paid much attention to this kind of details until my resto of my Fed-Mar white one. It had a replacment solenoid on it but I picked up an ultra rare 9910. So you don't think yours was black paint. That's interesting. Too bad this post is so far down the screen though. We need to start it all over again so it gets seen and others reply. Are you interesting in putting in on a new post. Also it would be nice if you could send this to Carlton and Roy. I am sure they would appreciate it. I wonder if John Pirkle is aware of the 9910's versus the 9919's. Never spoke to him about it. Bet he is though. Thanks, John

[Robert Jorjorian]

Re: Rarity

Joe I'm thinking that the 242 starter was only used on 327 engines and the 283 used another number which would make it pretty tough to find.

[Harry Sadlock]

Re: Looking 4 help finding 1107242 starter!!

The 7242 starter was only in 327 cars. As I recall most 63 full size cars were 283's or 6's. a select few were 409's.

Harry

[John D.]

Re: Looking 4 help finding 1107242 starter!!

There seems to be conclusive evidence that the DR solenoid for our 63's were painted black througout the entire year. Numerous individuals have emailed me that don't get on and ALL have said that the solenoids were painted along with the rest of the starter. I am not authority on starters and solenoid that is for sure but I do have a large collection of both chatter, pics, and facts that it is black. As far as the shade of black I would say not too shiny-typical semi-flat to semi gloss. But don't want to get into the shade of black thing.
Big thing also is that it appears that the 9910 is the way to go unless you have a late car. Don't know the break off though but Jorjorian does. Also these 242's may have been on a lot of steel chevys as some have suggested but that doesn't mean they are readily available. If so why do so many of our guys go crazy trying to find them. Live near a junk yard and see lot of flattened steel Chevy's on flat beds go by about often. So goes the 242's. John

[Jack H.]

Another comment...

Sometimes having a full collection of JG books helps... If you read the 61-62 JG, it calls out the '9910 solenoid as a one-year only item for all '62 327 Corvettes. Compare that to the current '63-64 JG that says the '9919 was applicable to early '63 cars and you begin to see the truth...

Looks like a typo in the '63-64 JG to me as any inventory hold over from '62 into the '63 MY would have been the same as what was used in '62, wouldn't you guess?

I keep my eyes peeled for original solenoids as I walk the yards and I've yet to see a '9919. But, every once in a while, I do stumble onto that elusive '9910. They WERE painted black and here's what a cleaned up original looks like...




'9910 Starter Solenoid

[Joe L.]

Re: Rarity

Bob-----

Yes, the '242' starter was used only for 327 (and 409) applications for 1963. While there MAY have been 3 other starters also used for 1963 327 and 409 applications, from what I can tell from Delco information, the '242' was, by far, the most widely used. In fact, Delco recognizes only the '242' as the original starter for all 1963 passenger cars with 327. This includes both automatic and manual trans applications.

Although I have not confirmed it, Verne's production number of about 295,000 1963 passenger cars built with 327 sounds about right. Chevrolet built over 1 million passenger cars for the 1963 model year.

[Verne Frantz]

Re: Rarity

Just to drift further on this thread, I agree that my Delco references for '63 only show the 242 starter for all 327s, auto & std. I can find no reference that that starter was installed in any 409. Three other numbers show up for the 409: 1107274 for the L-31 (mechanical lifters) and 1107286 which is only applicable to the hydraulic 340hp with std trans. The number for the 340hp with a Powerglide trans is 1107289. Those part numbers are from a Delco catalog. The '63 P&A catalog I have is not much help because it just doesn't deal with Production parts all the time. It's like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get. The Passenger AIM I have confirms the above numbers. I've also removed a number of 242 starters from '63 full size parts cars with 327s.

Joe, the production numbers I quoted are real. They came from original Chevy documents.
Including domestic and export production for the '63 Passenger models, there were:
475,454 230cid 6cyls
784,126 283 V8s
295,248 327 V8s
& 16,902 409 V8s
Totaling 1,571,730 Regular Passenger production. It's also interesting to note that of that total, 1,169,786 were equipped with the PowerGlide transmission. I could break it down further, but that would be straying too far from the origin of this thread.
In any case, we both agree that there should be a BUNCH of those 242 starters out there to find.
(same senario applies to the '62 233 starter, not to mention numerous other parts)

Verne